B-Hop’s Claim Racist?

By David Van Deusen on October 21, 2013
B-Hop’s Claim Racist?
The Irish have a certain literary history based on their experience of English oppression.

When real life cannot be obliterated by fact, the sophist’s plausible retreat is denial wrapped in the fog of repetition…

In an October 17th article in Ring Magazine’s online publication (Hopkins on Boxing and Black Fighters by Lem Satterfield), Philadelphia boxing legend and reigning IBF light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins stated: 

“The great Sugar Ray Leonard, right now, if he was boxing, the way that they want you to fight, the people that pull the strings of the puppet, he would be boring today. Ray Robinson – the great Robinson – would be boring today…Because the feeders of the people that buy entertainment. They’re being fed that if they duck, don’t buy it. If they’re slick, and they beat [their opponent] nine out of the 12 rounds, and the guy just can’t hit him because they were slick and smart enough to hit and not get hit, ‘He’s not crowd-pleasing, he don’t sell tickets.’ Because they done fed the followers and they done fed [that] to the customers. The customers will drink anything that you give them if it’s promoted right…But when you take away the skill and you take away the slick, and you take away the boxing ability and say that’s not entertaining, or that’s not entertainment, then, to me, it’s like trying to erase a culture that you know has dominated the sport way back then where you were slick. And I’m talking about black fighters. Yes, I said it.”

The above quotes, and more found in the article, have led some boxing fans to charge Bernard Hopkins, who is an African American, with being racist. Hence, the question remains, is racism a legitimate concern here?

No.

It is not racist to recognize that different cultures, different subcultures, produce different styles and different ways of approaching the arts, society, and boxing as well. The Irish, for example, have a certain literary history based on their experience of English oppression and subsequent material poverty that produced a very specific trajectory of poetry and fiction. Now of course that does not mean only the Irish can write poetry and fiction, it is just to say that they have developed those arts in a way which is particular to them, and a great treasure for the entire world. It is not racist to say this. Likewise, it is far from racist to say that it was American Black culture (including its more immediate three-century back-story of Euro-American oppression) that produced the Blues and then Jazz.  That said, some white guys, here and there, got good at these forms of music (“Take Five” anyone?), but that does not negate the fact that these art forms (these types of music) are a contribution from American Black culture. And again, the Irish do not exceed at literature because they are Irish, and the Blacks do not exceed at Jazz because they are Black. Rather, granting a similar cultural starting point, you could give any ethnicity or nationality some centuries of the same experience they went through (and go through) as a people and smart money would be you find the same basic result. If the Irish occupied England for 800 years, I have 20 down that the English would have their own James Joyce. Of course this is not to say that only the Irish can write, or only the Blacks can compose music; it’s just to recognize that these cultures developed their own special forms that most would agree is something genius to behold. And boxing is no different. 

One culture produces one way of approaching the subject, while another produces something different.  Hopkins is right that a case can be made that Black’s have developed an American boxing form which is both slick and effective (hit, move, avoid two punches, move and hit again). On the other hand, Mexican culture has tended to produce fighters which are huge on heart, bravado, and balls, but less interested in the slick aspect. Not that there are not exceptions to the rule (the great George Foreman after all was not exactly slick), but it is more true than not. Making a statement of this sort is no different than recognizing that different cultures have developed different types of music, measures of beauty, etc. There is nothing racist in this assertion. The one difference is that in poetry or music we, together, can only come to general agreements (or disagreements) about what we feel is the more interesting or developed style. In boxing, we pit those styles, and, by extension, cultures of boxing against each other in the ring, and at the end of the night, one hand is raised, one remains lowered, and often there is blood. 

So I offer Bernard a “cheers” and (as a Dutch American who had the pleasure of spending a little time in a boxing gym years ago) I give him that the Black, slick, style of hitting and not being hit (from Robinson, to Leonard, to Mayweather, to Roy Jones, to Hopkins) often (all else being equal) rises above those competing styles that it faces in the squared circle. I also give him that for the capitalists, the marketing executives, and big media heads they employ (who are all upper-class, and mostly White) are in fact trying to sell us a reality in which those Blacks who are winning, those most often from the forgotten America, are in fact the enemy of our passive viewing pleasures; even if they know only victory in the ring, they are in fact an enemy we should consider lost; that is what The Market would have us believe. When real life cannot be obliterated by fact, the sophist’s plausible retreat is denial wrapped in the fog of repetition. So Hopkins wins again, Mayweather wins again, but they really lost because they did not stand in the center of the ring and get their heads smashed in so we can see more blood. And HBO would rather play a decade old rebroadcast of a bloodbath than give you the Cuban Master, Guillermo Rigondeaux, in the actual here and now. Not that Gatti vs. Ward was not great in its own way, but really, we did see what happened when Gatti stepped into the ring with Mayweather. But here I digress.

The above, of course, is a little black and white. As I said before, there are exceptions, shades of gray and sometimes good reason for divergence. Wladimir Klitschko is a very defensive boxer; he doesn’t like to get hit, he’s Ukrainian, and was trained into this form by Emanuel Steward who was a Black man from Detroit. Canelo Alvarez is, in all likelihood, ultimately of Irish heritage, but learned to box in Mexico where he was immersed and assimilated into a proud Mexican culture. So no surprise he fights like a Mexican. Joe Calzaghe? Slick as hell, fast, combo puncher, and didn’t get hit much. His trainer was his old man. His old man was a Jazz musician.  And you know what, getting back to music, the Stones were pretty F*cking Badass, and they were importing Black R&B back to America from the American Muddy Waters records they heard in England. Just because the Stones were White does not make R&B a product of European culture, and Calzaghe (who is Welch—don’t know if the English historically consider the Welch White) does not make slick boxing a Welch art form. But at the end of the day, slick boxing is largely a Black contribution to the sport, and the fact is the corporate machines that feed us our likes and dislikes according to what they perceive as in their self-interest, does not like it and, presumably, does not like that the slick boxer often emerges with the win. Back in the day they didn’t like it when Jack Johnson or Muhammad Ali was champion either; but back in the day their reasons were often a little more blunt. Slick boxing a Black achievement? It could be argued. Slick boxing as a more effective form of the art? More than not. Racist? Nah. Just the opposite man.


David Van Deusen is the author of the Black Bloc Papers, has had articles printed in numerous publications including Z Magazine, and covered the Vermont Golden Gloves for the Catamount Tavern News. David is also a past member of Anti-Racist Action, and currently is employed as a Union Rep for the Vermont State Employees Association.

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  1. Mike Schmidt 04:26pm, 10/30/2013

    Kessler was wiped by Joe while Kessler was in his prime- this is the same Kessler who has been a top two or three super middle up to this past year having split with Froch- and that is five years plus that Joe smacked him. No, I agree with Manny Steward, Calzaghe was a special fighter capable of holding his own in any era.

  2. ROB 07:29pm, 10/29/2013

    Nicolas
    I would assert that no matter how you slice it Bernard is by far the better fighter and that at 43 he was still able to knock down calzhage forcing him to hit low to survive. I would also assert with supreme confidence that Calzhage’s only respectable fights were against an old Hopkins and an old Jones and a over hyped undersized boogyman named Jeff Lacy then he quit while they all carried on. He can never be mentioned alongside Jones or Hopkins because he didn’t do enough to deserve it by a long shot

  3. nicolas 05:51pm, 10/28/2013

    ROB: After Hopkins’s loss to Calzaghe, he fought Kelly Pavlik. When he beat Pavlik, he said it was the best performance of his career. I have always felt that Hopkins’ greatest win was over Tarver, and that was only two years before the Calzaghe fight. You say that Jeff Lacv was a B level fighter. Yet at the time of their fight, many were predicting that Lacy would win. I think the question really should be, did Joe Calzaghe make Lacey a B-level fighter? Quite often, boxers who are highly touted, and then lose a fight, are unable to come back and give the dedication they once gave to the sport. Jerry Quarry it could very well be argued destroyed the careers of Thad Spencer, Mac Foster, and Buster Mathis, boxers who were highly thought of until they fought and lost to Jerry Quarry. . Note that also, after Lacey’s loss to Calzaghe, in the wins that he did have, he never had another knockout.  Calzaghe would look poor against mediocre fighters, but would shine against far better opposition.  One of the interesting things about Calzaghe and Hopkins is the similarities of their boxing careers. First, with the first titles they won, they had many defenses of their titles, but were often not given the respect until they had the big marque wins. Not long before their big marque wins, they were being written off as their careers finished, remembering when Mills Lane in separating Hopkins in one of his defenses I guess pushed Hopkins out of the ring. that I remember reading. Also both men got their fames, Hopkins at 37, and Calzaghe at 36. I am not saying that Calzaghe in his prime would have beaten Hopkins in his prime, yet in light of how their fight went, we really cannot say.

  4. ROB 04:51pm, 10/23/2013

    Hopkins throwing down the PR flag pissed me off because it was so very disrespectful. I hoped that Tito would beat his ass but it was not to be. I wanted winky Wright to beat b-hop but he didn’t. I didn’t like that b-hop said that white boy thing but that’s an old saying where i’m from because most average white boys would get their asses kicked by your average black boy but you would come across some bad ass white boys sometimes and everyone would give them big props at the gym and be glad to know them not racist just shit talk based loosely on experience. White boys that I like include Tommy Morrison (even though he’s half native American), Henry Cooper, Ingmar Johansen, Jake Lamotta,  and a bunch of others. Now paula deen saying that she wants to do her brothers wedding with a bunch of nigger kids being slaves or taking that old black woman’s recipes and claim that she will make her rich if she sticks with her then shafting her now that’s racist

  5. ROB 04:16pm, 10/23/2013

    Nicolas
    Okay, now we’re in la la land when we claim that a 43yr old fighter was actually better than he was when he was 36! I guess that at 48 B-hop is in his prime! Meanwhile when 30yr old Floyd beats a 34 year old Oscar who came in weighing 165 to Floyd’s 151 in Floyd’s first fight at 154 they say Oscar was old. but when a 32 yr old Floyd beat a 36 yr old Marquez and outweighed him by 4lbs it was Marquez is over the hill and too small. Floyd beats a 23yr old Canelo at the age of 36 and Canelo who outweighed Floyd by 15lbs is schooled they say that Canelo was too young. Calzhage who promoted the fight calling B-hop “old man popkins” knew he was old but still got knocked down and doesn’t have one signature win in his whole career. He beat b level Lacy, Kessler, a b level Jones jr and a b level B-hop. It is matchup problems and a lack of great fighters that keep b-hop relevant. In the end we must admit that Bradley winning against pacman and Marquez, Floyd beating Canelo and Rigo beating Donaire is tough for boxing in the eyes of many because boxing relies on every race but African American because most aa’s are more into football, basketball ect and no longer have an Ali who touts being the peoples champ or a Holyfield to be the aa Christian champ. All there is is Floyd beating all the Mexicans and for us that just isn’t nearly enough

  6. The Fight Film Collector 12:16pm, 10/23/2013

    ROB: I’ve met Bernard Hopkins and have no jealousy toward the man.  His statement was clear enough and I commented on it, if you read my entire post.  I take your point that commentators are not appreciating defensive boxing as crowd pleasing.  Maybe they’re just repeating what they hear from fans.  I can see how you would disagree with that.  There’ve been many defensive stylists who’ve had winning careers.  Some were popular, some were not.  Not all were black.

  7. El Bastardo Magnifico 06:01am, 10/23/2013

    Borng is color blind—although I must say that hat color on B-Hop is a bit drab….Fearless Editor are you sure that isn’t Barry Fookin McGuigan and Karl Malone—that’s Karl Malone, yes it is. Now I don’t want to get into this “White Man can’t Jump thing (and talk about a grab me some attention race grabbing title that is) but if that is Karl Malone, and it sure looks like him, then I am suddenly thinking of Jazz, Utah style and Pistol Pete M.—now there is a guy that had some Jazz—pure Magic

  8. nicolas 12:41am, 10/23/2013

    the points that Hopkins has made were also somewhat made some over 50 years ago by Nat Fleischer, as he suggested back then that television people wanted fights that had a greater level of violence. Harry Markson when asked in the late 50’s and early 60’s why they were not promoting fights with Harold Johnson, the great light heavy weight only second at the time to Archie Moore, said he is just too perfect for us, which also meant too boring. HBO also did not want to promote many of the fights of the Klitschko’s, and they at least had the knockouts to show for it. Aren’t they also actually white guys? Back in the 90’s I think it was an article in Ring Magazine, one of the writers couldn’t figure out why “The boring Henry Maske” was attracting big crowds in Germany for his fights, and this was probably due to the fact that he was not the Arturo Gatti type of fighter.

  9. El Bastardo Magnifico 12:26am, 10/23/2013

    Good points Nicholas and agreed

  10. El Bastardo Magniifico 12:23am, 10/23/2013

    Personally I think Calzaghe’s best win was against Kessler. It seems that Hopkins, who currently is the numero uno Light Heavy is supposed to get the suck and blow treatment here on age: on the one hand he is the next best thing to good old apple pie as he is still top of his game at his age, an amazing Alien, etc etc etc, on the other hand he was way past his prime, an old man, when he lost to Calzaghe…..I prefer Manny Steward’s thoughts of Calzaghe—he would have been a big problem for anyone, in any era, given his size ( a very big solid guy for 168), speed, conditioning, and sense of pace and space. Unfortunately we never got to see the best of Calzaghe at all. In his early career, his first 25 fights, he was a knockout artist—his damaged hands almost cost him anymore fights and a career, after that—he persisted, changed his style and had a great career as has Hopkins although, for me, Hopkins in ring antics and persona out of ring, leave much to be desired—it is an insult to Floyd and Rigo, pure boxers, with no need of the foul ridden events and histrionics that usually follow one of B-Hops fights to be considered in conversation with Hopkins—there is much the more refined craft than Bernard’s. As for Hopkins comments that Leonard or Robinson would have been labeled boring in this era—JUST OUTRIGHT NONSENSE

  11. nicolas 12:19am, 10/23/2013

    ROB: I was talking about the age difference between Jones and Calzaghe, not Hopkins and Calzaghe. Yes in many ways it was a paper win, as Jones was not what he once was, yet the age difference was only three years between those two men. As for Hopkins, I would suggest to you that really Hopkins approached that fight with his greatest win ever over Antonio Tarver, though he got real fame with his win over Trinidad and De La Hoya, men who had come up in weight to face Hopkins. Also I would suggest that as good as Hopkins is, his middleweight era before Trinidad did not have a who’s who of great talent at that time, though Glenn Johnson was one of his knockwins, before we knew how good Johnson perhaps could be. Supposably both Jones and Hopkins were offered fights with Calzaghe earlier in their careers, but declined. Also whether the 43 years old Hopkins was better than the 36 year old may not be the case. Case in point might be looking back at Archie Moore. In light of the success that Mr. Hopkins as had since the Calzaghe fight, I don’t think that one can underestimate Calzaghe’s win over Hopkins.

  12. ROB 10:49pm, 10/22/2013

    fight film collector,
    You are missing the whole point of what Bernard was saying and I think it is just jealousy and an obtuse nature on your part that blinds the way you took his words. Bernard was talking about the fact that black fighters are winning bouts and out thinking and out classing their opponents, literally boxing circles around them. but what do they get from hbo who won’t support rigo and a growing number of fans? Oh it’s so boring why don’t they avoid less punches, stick out their chin and think less so we can see you go cave man!

  13. ROB 08:54pm, 10/22/2013

    Nicolas where did you learn to count? Calzhage had just turned 36 the month before and Hopkins was 3mos from his 43rd birthday where I come from that is NOT 3yrs that is almost 8yrs! No matter what you say that is a huge gap! I and any person with half a brain takes a 36yr old Hopkins over a 36yr old Calzhage ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. so that win was really a bullshyt win as was his “win” against Roy Jones totally paper wins. Calzhage’s best win was against pretender and bogey man Jeff Lacy…strike up the band

  14. Mike Casey 10:22am, 10/22/2013

    Indeed, he’s a lovely man in every way. I have now been conditioned and medicated.

  15. nitehowl 09:43am, 10/22/2013

    Great article. Connects the dots about boxing styles, race, and racism. I would like to see more sports articles like this. Hopkins will go down in the annals as a boxing genius

  16. The Fight Film Collector 09:06am, 10/22/2013

    Racist perhaps, but I don’t take offense in this case.  This is more self aggrandizing than anything else.  There has long been a tradition of “slickness” in the African-American boxing culture, and while the best have exploited the style, they certainly have never owned it.  Every community that comes up in boxing gets to have their day.  With some, prominence lasted only a few years.  Others for decades.  Bernard is entitled to express his pride.  I don’t disagree with him entirely.  But I’m also entitled to point out that ethnicity and nationality in the ranks of championship boxing has changed dramatically over the last generation, and boxing is now more diverse than it’s ever been.  And this has been one of the few healthy trends in the sport.

  17. Don from Prov 08:37am, 10/22/2013

    Jones is better off fighting than he is talking—

     

    BTW, James Joyce liked to drink and was know to become pugnacious.  There is a story about Joyce and Heningway hitting the Paris bars and Joyce starting a fight with someone before quickly urging Hemingway to step in as Joyce, sans glasses, claimed he couldn’t see his opponent to hit him.

  18. Pete The Sneak 04:55am, 10/22/2013

    I’m tired already of having to comment on Bernard ‘The Execlutchinor’ Hopkins. I review all upcoming fight schedules religiously and once I see a Hopkins fight listed, I circle the calendar/day and make the necessary arrangements not to be home that night so I don’t inadvertently catch it when flipping channels. I agree that what Hopkins is saying is not racist, it’s just idiotic. If I’m Ray Leonard, I take offense to my name even being attached with this stupid quote and the word boring, which by the way I’m almost positive now has Bernard’s picture (sans the hat) right next to it in the New Oxford American Dictionary…Yes. Senor Bastardo Del Magnifico, he has an upcoming fight and is trying to draw some type of interest…Peace.

  19. Mike Schmidt 03:29am, 10/22/2013

    Clarence LMAO—I will take that autograph as soon as I find my Des Joyce signed velvet smoking robe.

  20. nicolas 02:59am, 10/22/2013

    ROB: i don’t think there has been any holliday named after Willie Pep or Nicolino Loche. Also as mentioned, Calzaghe was not so young also, though his win over Roy Jones is somewhat tarnished by where Jones was at the time in his boxing career, let us not forget that he was just three years younger. Also I would remind you that Hopkins is still fighting, and at this time the number two ranked light heavy weight in the world by most. Your comment that Calzaghe fouled Hopkins to avoid being knocked out, that is the first I have ever heard of that, or that Calzaghe admitted as such. In that later round when Hopkins bent over claiming that Calzaghe fouled him with a low blow, many felt that it was Hopkins trying to take a breather. While it can be argued that Calzaghe may have fouled Hopkins on a few occasions in this fight, I felt that it was Calzaghe’s way of showing that he to could play Hopkins’ game as Bernard was known for being an occasionally fouling fighter.

  21. Mike Schmidt 12:59am, 10/22/2013

    Calzaghe was 36 years old when he fought B-Hop let us not forget that.  And he was an old 36 having fought for years with injuries and rightfully winding down his career. In terms of Hopkins age at the time I think it fair to say that Calzaghe’s win was solid in the legacy department. It is amazing to think that Calzaghe undoubtedly will be voted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame some five years later when Bernard is still reigning as the number one rated World Light Heavyweight Champion. Superb on both guys career. In terms of “the dummy who keeps saying that Calzaghe beat Hopkins” well last time I looked at boxrec CALZAGHE BEAT HOPKINS and Calzaghe’s win should not be diminished. Not much even “The Alien” can do about that. unless he can do that old TV show “Time Tunnel!!!!!!”

  22. Rob 09:05pm, 10/21/2013

    If a white or a Mexican could move and make his opponents look like fools he would be celebrated and have a holiday named after him! you guys are phony

  23. Rob 09:02pm, 10/21/2013

    To the dummy who keeps saying that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. When Calzaghe beat Hopkins by decision Hopkins was 3mos from his 44th birthday! And he knocked Calzaghe down! and Calzaghe hit him low so he could avoid being knocked out and admitted as much in a later interview. YOU CAN’T BRAG ABOUT BEATING A 44YR OLD MAN BY DECISION AFTER BEING KNOCKED DOWN

  24. nicolas 08:56pm, 10/21/2013

    GEORGE: good point about Jack Johnson’s voice, at the time he was champion, I believe the racist US press at the time tried to pass him off as some kind of stupid buffoon, which was far from the truth. One wonders if more people could have heard him speak back then, people might have had a different image of him. Having said that, while well written, Mr. Van Deusen’s article really bothered me. He fails to mention, as some have alluded to here, that Hopkins made comments that could be suggested as racist in regards to not only the Calzaghe fight, but also to his comments about an African American quarterback who he suggested was not black enough. Hopkins comments in regards to Leonard and Robinson were ignorant, as first some have shown that these two fighters were not some kind of defensive masters as Hopkins suggests. At the same time, I did not blame Hopkins for what he did when he tore up that Puerto Rican flag, though certain not a safe decision on his part, as that was at the time was disrespectful to Hopkins.

  25. George Thomas Clark 07:58pm, 10/21/2013

    Jack Johnson had a fine speaking voice.  This is the first time I’ve heard it.  He was an engaging fellow.

  26. Clarence George 06:13pm, 10/21/2013

    Not sure attempting to intellectualize Hopkins’ illiteracies is worth the effort.  But I will say this:  I once visited James Joyce’s grave in Zurich.  Yes, gentlemen, autographs are available.  Well, not Joyce’s…just mine.

  27. El Bastardo Magnifico 05:46pm, 10/21/2013

    Will ye nit lit me be then Sir Robert—one last one en please—the shoulder roll is of course, as any IBRO card carrying type of a BWAA ilk knows is an boxing urban myth dating back of the years of Dixon, Gans, The Barbados Demon and the like. In truth the shoulder roll originated with Frankie DePaula of Joisey. Frankie scared the sheet out of people so much, being one very tough fooker, he needed to sucker them in with this shoulder roll business—had nothing to do with defence. Now Sir Robert as you know from our private VIP bus ride back to Wynn-one must not question the men of New Jersey (and I do thank you for telling me to sit down on the bus—I got the hint a little late!!!) so we shall put this shoulder roll business now to rest.

  28. El Bastardo Magnifico 05:35pm, 10/21/2013

    And yes Sir Robert I get the message—I shall fook off now then and me posts er dun. (that and the fact a limo is pickin up for dinner in Toronto so me killin of time er done) ONE LAST THING—WHERE FOREVER YOU END UP RATING HOPKINS YE SHALL PLEASE REMEMBER THAT MRS CALZAGHE LITTLE WHITE BOY, JOSEPH OF WALES, SON OF A JAZZ MAN, PUGILIST OF A TIN WALL GYM, LAD OF LONSDALE,  SHALL BE RATED AT LEAST ONE HIGHER THE BETTER OF THIS ALIEN CHAP, AND THAT IS A FACT NOT OBLITERATED BY REAL LIFE BUT RATHER THE FACT OF LIFE THAT JOE OBLITERATED HOPKINS AS OUR LEARNED FRIEND SIR IRISH POINTS OUT. AND MIGHT I ADD THAT SIR IRISH’S LAST SENTENCE IS WORTHY OF A BOXING.COM KEEPER WHEN THE BEST OF BOXING.COM FINALLY GETS OUT. NOW I BE GONE SIR ROBERT BEFORE I FOOK UP YER NEXT MEDIA PASS

  29. Robert Ecksel 05:32pm, 10/21/2013

    Rumor has it that he invented the shoulder roll.

  30. El Bastardo Magnifico 05:27pm, 10/21/2013

    Ha ha fearless Editor you are but of course welcome to pull rank anytime as ranking numero uno scribe to this lovely joint called Boxing.com and as Chief Bottlewasher, Priest, Pastor, Island Witch Doctor, and full time psychologist to a bunch of crazy bastards you are more than welcome—BUT OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED DES JOYCE OF AUSTRALIA OR WAS IT NEW ZEALAND, SIX WINS SIX LOSSES THIS DES JOYCE—STILL THOUGH ARE YOU SURE IT ISN’T BARRY FOOKIN AROUND WITH US EN, EH!!! LOOKS THE MORE OF BARRY THAN DES JOYCE. NOW TO THIS PRETENDER, WHAT HIS NAME, JAMES JOYCE—WHO THE FOOK IS HE EN, I DON NIT SEE EM ANERE ON BOXREEC.

  31. Robert Ecksel 05:14pm, 10/21/2013

    I hate to pull rank EBM, but it’s the other way around. It’s not that the guy on the left looks like Barry McGuigan, but that Barry McGuigan looks like the guy on the left (i.e., James Joyce).

  32. El Bastardo Magnifico 05:09pm, 10/21/2013

    This is my, I suspect, last thread on this. YES ERIC THAT IS A FINE FINE HAT. The guy on the left looks like Barry McGuigan hee hee

  33. El Bastardo Magnifico 05:04pm, 10/21/2013

    “Slick boxing as the more effective form of art.” There is one other item to that and it is the nothing more requisite that knockout. SLICK BOXING AND THE KNOCKOUT. When Ray Leonard, boxing, put Davey Boy Green right where he wanted him and launched multiple bolts of lightning lights out punches that was EFFECTIVE ART COMBINING BOXING AND LIGHTS OUT PUNCHING AND KILLER INSTINCT. When Ray Robinson walked out and shoulder shifted Gene Fullmer into a one punch dreamland that was EFFECTIVE ART COMBINING BOXING AND LIGHTS OUT PUNCHING. When Ray Robinson moved Rocky Graziano, on angle , over to the ropes and nailed him with a left hook right hand, lights out, THAT WAS THE ULTIMATE EXPRESSION OF SLICK BOXING COMBINED WITH KNOCKOUT POWER and in boxing there is nothing more requisite than that. Hopkins is full of shit and we should only be so lucky to have the likes of a Leonard or Robinson around- of course they were unique and one of a kind and Hopkins is sly in fashion trying to get his name prop in the same context—crap is the first word that comes to mind on his statements for the most part.

  34. El Bastardo Magnifico 04:35pm, 10/21/2013

    I don’t think Hopkins gets a free pass for his comments leading up to the Calzaghe fight. No Sir, not at all. They were racist—Is Hopkins a racist? Who the hell knows—the comments made to Calzaghe were racist—does he explain them simply as an attempt at pre-fight psyche to get under Calzaghe’s “white boy” skin or as an attempt to stir the publicity pot similar to tearing up the Puerto Rican flag ( and by the way, despite his apology, as a grown man and someone in the sports spotlight he should not get a pass on that disgusting behavior either) to sell tickets. If that is his historical revisionist approach now, well then, we can simply put him the other article post- HE IS A JERK!!! I would add one other comment—in reference to Calzaghe—he handled that situation like a real sportsmen (a label long lost for the majority that we now have playing for dollars) and the very best to him next June when he and his father walk thru and into the halls of the INTERNATIONAL BOXING HALL OF FAME. A testimony as to how great Joe is that Hopkins is still the numero uno Light Heavy and Kessler is still a top ranking Super Middle—astounding from all perspectives.

  35. Eric 04:17pm, 10/21/2013

    Nice hat on Hopkins BTW. Very stylish.

  36. Eric 04:15pm, 10/21/2013

    Ray Robinson also put a lot of fighters to sleep. Great puncher as well as boxer. In no way shape or form was Robinson as boring as Hopkins and/or Gayweather. Other than that I see NOTHING “RACIST” with what Hopkins said and like a lot of stereotypes there is some truth to it. And to be perfectly honest I will agree that black fighters dominated the heavier weight classes of boxing for decades but that reign at least for now appears over with. Eastern Europeans are currently making their mark in the heavier classes and I think they will for quite some time. I appreciate Hopkins’s honesty actually. People have become so hypersensitive that you can’t say anything without worrying about the PC goons pouncing on you. IMO a lot of the criticism directed towards the Klits is race related.

  37. Irish Frankie Crawford Beat Saijo aka Gimpel 03:57pm, 10/21/2013

    David Van Deusen-I don’t know if Hopkins is a racist…..and I don’t care. I know two things…..he’s no Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Calzaghe kicked his ass. As I posted on another thread, on the Saturday past Ruslan provided more excitement in one round than Hopkins has in his entire career….slick?....he has always fought like a sadistic club bouncer who is breaking up a fight (while getting his own nasty licks) or on his better humored nights trying to prevent a fight from breaking out. He is the ultimate expression of the anti-fighter whose goal has always been to nullify his opponents in the ugliest way possible.

  38. El Bastardo Magnifico 03:48pm, 10/21/2013

    Over at “The Alien Meets the Press” ....I have several Hopkins fight films, on hand so that when we catch some Taliban (or whomever is our enemy du jour) we can torture them.” or, and I like the funny side in this, “The Day the Earth Stood Still”  or “butts, clinches, back-of-the head shots, low blows, and taunting…Hopkins will do this kind of garbage until he is 50”... or simply “He is a jerk” or at another posting, “I would rather watch paint dry…” we also forgot his perfectly timed ability to flop when in danger—Calzaghe—and his low blow flops was an embarr ass ment.

  39. El Bastardo Magnifico 03:36pm, 10/21/2013

    And as usual, like the Calzaghe fight, like ripping up the Puerto Rican flag before the Tito fight etc etc etc, Hopkins brings this crap up just before his fight which is hardly a massive PPV is it then! He also indirectly attempts to slot himself in with Leonard and Robinson—NOT. A lovely Irish fighter by the name of Conn, Billy would have whipped B-Hop inside out. But then again so would have Bobby Foster and Mike Spinks at Light Heavy—point is Hopkins should lay off these ridiculous category things—fighters, like a big old slice of life, come in all kinds of styles, shapes and colours—adios

  40. Ted 03:32pm, 10/21/2013

    If nothing else, Hopkins is unique.

  41. El Bastardo Magnifcio 03:23pm, 10/21/2013

    All That Jazz Number 1) JOE CALZAGHE—HOPKINS IS “AN ASSHOLE AND A RACIST”—Those are Champion Calzaghe’s words. All That Jazz Number 2) “I am not going to lose to no white boy”—Hopkins’ words—Can you imagine, shoe to other foot, “I am not going to lose to no black boy.” All That Jazz Number 3) Slap in the face to a list too long to go on—but what the hey, how about Willie Pep, Kenny Buchanan, Gene Tunney, All That Jazz Number 4) Hopkins has a KO percentage just squeezing by the 50% mark—he should be ashamed of himself putting in names like Robinson and Leonard—THESE CHAMPIONS WERE BEAUTIFUL BOXING TECHNICIANS WHO WERE GREAT GREAT FINISHERS WHEN THEY GOT SOMEONE HURT—SOMETHING THAT BERNARD IS NOT. I am afraid Champ Hopkins got the racist label prior to this Ring article and despite your thesis herein. Floyd has nurtured his anti-hero status to the point of huge enterprise and dislike for I suspect many has nothing to do with any “boring” label. As for Rigo—well he obtained a title shot against last year’s Fighter of the Year, despite a limited number of fights and despite looking anything but stellar against the likes of the Panamanian Nunez. I for one think he is brilliant. Consider as well some of the sources labeling him “boring.” The old fox Bob Arum of course would like to play that label when it comes to $$$$ and his sense of cents!!!!

  42. Stephanie 03:19pm, 10/21/2013

    nothing to add, excellent, thank you.

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