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JC45: Curry beats or give a hell of a fight to Mayweather? Are we talking about the same Donald Curry? The Curry I’m talking about lost to Lloyd Honeyghan, Mike McCallum, Rene Jacquet and Terry Norris. I saw (in person) two of those losses. No way Curry beats Mayweather in my opinion.
As a final bit of gibber are people seriously putting Amir Khan up as an opponent for Floyd ? Ridiculous. Danny Garcia is another guy who has barely beaten anyone. Khan and the incredibly hyped n overrated Matthysse ? Hardly enough to warrant a fight with the so called best fighter on the planet. Martinez is shot , Bradley is smaller than Floyd ( he is a 140 lb fighter ) and was nearly ruined in his last fight. Pac is past it , Floyd and he should have fought 5 years ago at least.
The depth of good fighters between say 140 - 160 is at an all time low . I cant blame Floyd for that. I can honestly say except for Golovkin there isnt one fighter in those divisions who I rate .
As a last comment Mayweather may be very famous in the USA but in Australia he is basically unknown.
His level of fame compared to fighters like Ali , Tyson , Leonard , Duran, George Foreman and Larry Holmes is in no way comparable.
The Alvarez fight had very little pre fight publicity here in oz. Shit I remember our school teacher bringing a radio into class so we could listen to the Ali - Foreman fight live . Unimaginable now days.
Foreign sportsman who have the kind of notoriety Ali had in Oz arent common but people like say Lionel Messi, David Beckham , Tiger Woods , Usain Bolt , Michael Phelps, Federer and Nadal are very famous. Compared to them Floyd is basically unknown. Just an Oz perspective for you Seppos ;)
Gday Ted , I’ve emerged from under my rock to have a quick post .
Trinidad, De La Hoya , Mosely , Curry , Starling , Leonard , Hearns , Duran , Napoles , Griffith . There are 10 135-147 lb fighters off the top of my head I could see beating Mayweather or at least giving him hell in their prime.
For the so called GOAT his resume is garbage.
Can the Floyd fans name ONE prime GREAT fighter Floyd has fought?
Mayweather’s people are the smartest team I have seen as far as intelligently matching and managing their fighter. They realise that without his zero and an opponent who has a large fan base Floyd doesnt really have that much going for him as far as selling his fights. He isnt particularly exciting and his fights tend to be fairly dull.
Then you have the way Floyd ” retired ” and let the best 147 lb fighters basically wreck each other. Cotto and Margarito come to mind. On styles even a Clottey would be far more difficult for Floyd than say Alvarez , Guerrero or the aged Cotto. Clottey was tall , fights in a shell and had a great jab .
The worst styles for a 5 ft 8 welterweight who is a counter punching defensive fighter are A. Rangy , fast , powerful guys with height , reach and a great jab. Floyd hasnt fought any of those ( a well past his best Oscar post his middleweight adventures doesn’t count for mine ) .
Honestly , beating Canelo Alvarez ( a neophyte with ONE decent fighter on his record in Trout ) , Guerrero, Cotto at 154 , VICTOR ORTIZ and the 37 year old Shane Mosely are hardly wins that make Floyd great. Smoke n mirrors .
Pacquiao’s record doesnt shine so brightly if you examine it as well . Not many if any peak prime great fighters there either.
As a last point why do Mayweathers fans find the idea of him fighting at 160 so offensive ? I can name dozens of lightweights and welters who ended up fighting middleweights . Leonard beat Hagler after he had one fight in 5 years. Griffith fought many middleweights , Napoles ( a natural lightweight ) fought Monzon. Mickey Walker fought Schmeling for fucks sake.
Floyd is perfect for the internet age. Image is everything and the clueless fans nowadays seem to think an unbeaten record matters more than who you fight.
To be fair to Mayweather though I do admire his dedication and technique
. In a lot of ways he may be the last great boxer. I look at the p4p lists and its full of old men , even Andre Ward is over 30 now.
I also admire the way Floyd has basically ” robbed ” boxing and made a bundle without facing the best fighters . When you are old , punchy and broke a great resume wont buy you a feed or pay for your children’s school fees so good on Mayweather’s management for conning those who dont see clearly .
To someone who has been following boxing since the early 70s as a young boy the modern game just doent do it for me anymore.
Keep up the articles Ted you champion. Always enjoy em mate.
Not all judges agree. Harold Lederman as I pointed out had it for Castillo. Other boxing men whose opinion I respect also thought Castillo won the first fight. Mayweather should have one loss on his record. I understand you’re a Mayweather fanboy, but I don’t care to discuss it further.
Well, whoop de bloody doo for you Monte. Chalk that fight up as one you got wrong as there was no way Castillo won that fight.
Harold Lederman may have been a decent judge at some time….not that night though. Simply astounded at some of the rounds he gave to Castillo, especially both points deduction rounds which Mayweather won big (of course the 2nd was an even round) & equally astounded a judge, as you claim to be (I’ll take your word for it), could see it the same way as Lederman
Well not that astounded actually as I’m pretty much aware of the regard, or rather lack of, that most of the posters have for Mayweather…..
@ Darrell. I couldn’t disagree more. I’ve scored literally thousands of fights since the 1970’s and could give a class on how to score a fight. You can read my article on it; http://coxscorner.tripod.com/scoring.htm
Harold Lederman, an excellent judge, had it 7-4-1/115-111 Castillo. Also 10, 11 & 12 were huge Castillo rounds. Before the decision was announced Mayweather didnt even think he won the fight. I had it 7-5 Castillo and he deserved the decision.
You obviously didn’t watch the first Mayweather/Castillo fight. It was not as you put it, Mayweather dominating the early rounds & Castillo the later rounds, there were a lot of ebbs & flows & Mayweather certainly closed out strong in rounds 10, 11 and a close 12th (which I gave to Castillo). Not at all how you are suggesting. Mayweather the lightweight was also challenging the welterweight Castillo.
Mayweather rounds 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 11 - Castillo rounds 3, 6, 7, 12 Round 10 even, 9-9, (a round Mayweather clubbed Castillo) due to the pushing off.
No way Castillo won that first fight, he hustled, bustled, threw a lot of forearms, elbows & good body punches but he got tagged with many more clean punches right throughout. It would be the only fight that Mayweather could have conceivably lost in his career if the judges were judging for hyperactive fouling, wrestling, headbutting, hitting on the break, low blows & few clean punches.
As for stats in the fight, no way Castillo landed more effective punches, mostly to the arms of Mayweather & certainly more forearms, elbows & headbutts. Compubox is ok much of the time but in this the “compubox’s” obviously got a little excited by the crowd. Probably spazzing on the button every time Castillo, who’s a good fighter & gave Mayweather a good fight, threw a forearm or missed another hellacious uppercut or roundhouse right. It’s probably a fair bet you can get a win in Mexico doing that due to the “exciting” nature of those sorts of bouts but where fights are judged by the proper criteria, effective punching being primary, you ain’t gonna win shit.
Cotto fought a better pressure fight against Mayweather than Castillo. Castillo was comfortably beaten because he didn’t throw a great deal of effective punches, just a handful to the head, while being tagged constantly by effective punches. Pressure or no pressure.
that blood would be spilt ....if a ring worn Ex Champion…Pacquaio…be lured into a match with a very UN RING WORN ....pbf
Pacquaio is from the last of his kind….Marquez too…...They are FIGHTERS…and ply their trade often and successfully…...whereas pbf misses out on the OFTEN part….once ...maybe twice a year is all we’re graced with….
think SIR TED nailed it, I also think he will save BRONER for his last fight of his 6 fight contract with SHOWTIME, I fully expect Broner to be spoon fed easy fights until then with the HYPE machine on over drive, I would give anything to see Floyd fight GGG, just don’t see Floyd having the balls to fight him
Man, it’s hard to get excited for Pac Rios b/c they’re both past their prime (in fact that’s alvarado’s fight, they robbed him of it b/c he beat rios), and I dunno I have mixed feelings about marquez bradley. I don’t feel marquez is a genuine jr. welter/welterweight. he was already small for a lightweight. I think he just happens to be pac’s kryptonite. Oh well.
What if Bradley KOs JMM and Manny KOs Rios? What if JMM KOs Bradley and Rios KOs Manny? Lots of “ifs” here. Too many to be definitive on a Manny vs. FMJ just yet. That’s why Garcia is the next logical opponent. Talk of Manny vs Floyd is premature or too late depending on one’s perspective.
Pac-Floyd is still BY FAR the fight everybody wants to see. Yet IMO Pac IS NOT the fighter most likely to defeat Floyd because 1) He is past his prime, his decline started when he got involved in politics. Today he is just a shadow of his best. And, most importantly 2) Styles make fights and determine winners. So, contrary to what many people think, IMO Pac’s style is GREAT for Mayweather. Pac has never been an inside and a pressure fighter, he is just a super-quick, relentless and tireless swarmer, but he is a mid-range fighter. Long and mid-range fighters are the easiest pray for Floyd, no matter if they are as fast or faster than him. Yes Pac is IMO faster, both in hands and legs than Floyd, and he has probably more stamina than Floyd, but he is way less accurate and has zero defense compared to Floyd. So my prediction is that Pacman would miss TONS of his shots vs. ultra-defensive, tricky Floyd and he would have a zero chance to knock Floyd out.
What’s the blueprint to defeat Mayweather? PRESSURE, CONSTANT, RELENTLESS PRESSURE, inside/pressure fighting. Fighting against the ropes, constant hitting to the body to slow him down on his feet, combined with both hand and foot speed.
IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU WANT TO BEAT FLOYD? THEN WATCH FLOYD-CASTILLO 1 and watch what Castillo DID RIGHT, from the 6th round to the end, then add swarming and hand/foot speed to the menu (both things lacking by Castillo), because if Castillo had been a swarmer, just as Pacman is and had Pac’s leg and hand speed, I dare say he could have even knocked Floyd down and won a clear and irrefutable decision.
Frazier-Ali 1 is a great blueprint to see what to do to defeat a super-fast, very defensive and smart fighter. Frazier was the perfect inside/pressure/swarmer-style fighter in that fight, with enough punching power. He was tireless the whole fight, and even though he wasn’t half as fast as Ali, he just overwhelmed the latter applying relentless pressure until he finally knocked Ali down, almost knocking him out, to finally win an irrefutable unanimous decision that left most watchers with a dropped jaw in disbelief.
That’s the style heavy pressure legendary fighters such as the very Frazier, Duran, Hagler and JCC Senior, to mention a few, used to dismantle super-defensive fighters such as Floyd, and I can tell you right now that I HAVE NO DOUBT that any of those guys, at their best, could defeat the very best Floyd. Floyd hasn’t lost yet—well, except with Castillo in the first fight—simply because he has NEVER faced a truly elite heavy-pressure, relentless and tireless fighter with more than decent punching power, like any of those guys.
I don’t think GGG is the same kind of fighter as those I mentioned above, because he is more of a long or mid range fighter—great for Floyd’s style—but that’s the only name i cant come up with, which could be capable to maintain relentless pressure over Floyd, with tons of punching power, until Floyd finally breaks up IF GGG could land anything. And experience has proven that the only way to land on Floyd, is fighting him on the inside.
Is there an elite inside/pressure/swarmer-style fighter, decent hand and foot speed, today, who wouldn’t have to drain himself out, to meet Floyd’s catch-weight tricky requirements? You tell me. If not, he will still remain “undefeated” (HUGE record spot in there, Floyd-Castillo1). Too bad Frazier, Duran, Hagler and Chavez Sr. aren’t contemporary to Floyd. I think any of those guys would have dismantled Floyd, provided they were in the same natural weight class.
Just my opinion here, I love boxing and I’ll always root for spectacular brawlers, like Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquiao, over super-defensive fighters, like SRL in the 2nd fight vs. Duran or FM in ALL his fights!
mayweathers defense is breakable first: he should be a southpaw boxer then he has to learn the ancient technique in boxing the kangaroo stance and learn some judo and jujitsu this will crack mayweathers defense
MAYWEATHER SHOULD FIGHT PACQUIAO first to cement his legacy as GOAT HE JUST HAVE TO SAY COME ON LETS FIGHT AT 147 55/45THEN WHEN THE AGREEMENT IS ALREADY SIGNED ANOTHER CONDITION COMES OUT FROM MAYWEATHERS CAMP MANNYLETS FIGHT IN MArs for the best fighter in THE galaxy
Bikermike: Re your quote: “This is a shadow of the greats…who fought much more frequently….MUCH MORE…...and the level of their competition was unquestioned…...Not so pbf…and if there ain’t no competition…small fish in a shallow pool with only bugs to eat.” In my opinion, Mayweather beats ALL those greats at our near his weight. I’m curious: Who does Mayweather have to beat to FINALLY prove himself?
Pacquiao is still a marquee name…but he too ....has spent himself on his brilliant career and high caliber opponents…..not the least of whom was Juan Manuel Marquez…..he also lost a boxing match to Bradley…(hey Ted…where was that PURIST stuff then )
Pacquiao and Marquez are definitely in the twilight of their careers…..Like bringing Holmes in with Tyson….if these guys get the nod to ‘fight’ pbf
Djata Bumpus: It’s hard to argue with your credentials, but Mayweather hardly ever gets hit squarely. I remember Shane Mosley catching him in the second round of their bout several fights ago. Mayweather has to be the most unmarked 36-year-old boxer of all time. The nickname “Pretty Boy” suits him well.
I don’t see any competition for Floyd….he’ll pick anyone he wants for his last fights and ride off into the sunset.
Khan would be a joke fight…hasn’t Khan proved he’s not a world beater?....I can see a big payday if the fights’ in the
UK but not in the US.
I could not care less about Pac-Floyd now. Pacman is used up. Again, a big payday, but I won’t be putting out for the PPV just like I didn’t for Canelo, who was a dead (young) man walking into that ring.
cylee, it’s almost like he took off a lot of time while these other guys were getting damaged and then said, “ok, I’m ready now, let’s get it on.” For years I maintained that he was a cherry picker—but not with opponents as much as with time intervals between fights. His body has been rested and remains fit and ready while these other guys like Martinez are getting operated on. I’d love to be a fly on the wall of a conversation between Ellebee, Roger, Floyd, and Sr. Heck, I might even write about such a conversation.
Khan Mayweather circa 2009-2011 or Pacquiao for that matter would be interesting. also, Martinez during that same time period. it’s like Mayweather to fight them after they wear and tear, or before they shine.
If FMJ wants to prove that he is in the class of Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Ray Robinson, Emile Griffith etc then let him fight Gennady Golovkin. All of above welterweight champions, to name a few, fought legit ATG middleweights. If he can beat Golovkin then he is in the conversation. Otherwise a career of cherry picked opposition leaves a lot to be desired and more questions than answers.
In the photo on the top of the link, it may just be me, but Floyd’s eyes don’t look right…I’ve been in this game, in some context, for 44 years, teaching it for a living, for the past 25 years…He needs to stop boxing…Something’s going wrong with either his vision or his central nervous system.
After turning completely around per Canelo and convincing myself he had a shot against Jr. I am not ever going to pick against Floyd just BECAUSE I WANT him to lose. Still, I’d grant myself NO credibility. That said—and in spite of no-cred, my feeling is that Floyd long ago missed his best chance at a legacy by not blowing through the WW division when it was pretty loaded—and as someone who loves to watch the coronation of greatness I’ll always hold that against him.
1) Garcia—seriously? another fighter coming up in weight, and a kid at that: if it = a ten round bout on Wide World of Sports and Jr. was going to fight in another two months or so after, fine. Otherwise, a waste of time.
2) Khan—I know that this is the famous Sares sense of humor at work.
3) Martinez—should be toast by then, so he’ll be safe enough
4) Bradley—ah!!!!!!!!! forgetaboutit
5) Manny—my worst nightmare: there was a moment when I think Manny stood a real chance against Floyd—that moment is long gone. This will just allow Jr. to beat up on Manny and say “See, y’all must forgot.”
What I mean to say is that Showtime has not spent its money wisely—
There is noting compelling out there except a future run a GGG for MW crown, and that ain’t happening. Still, this is the age of show biz and the
Money Show just might rake it in for Showtime anyway—just not from me.
None of the five fights = PPV, not even close IMO.
@PIKKON…Never say Never…That was then, this is now…FMJ on top of everything else is a shrewd business man and a savvy scout of future opponents. If Pac man beats Rios super ‘convincingly,’ then perhaps FMJ will stick to his script of not fighting Manny. However, should Manny win, yet not look really good in doing so (i.e. gets rocked by Rios, put down, or beaten up on way to a close decision), then yes, I can see FMJ and the Money Team sitting down in a conference room, looking at films and making a decision as to who can bring in the most money and offer up the less risk. Pac Man at this stage of his career might be that person predicated on his performance versus Rios. It can happen dude…Peace.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Adrien Broner go in there somewhere, he’s making a lot of noise and I think its a clash of styles and personalities that would sell. Yes they’re bosom buddies now but that wouldn’t get in the way of a big payday for both men. I’m really hoping Floyd doesn’t give Khan a shot at him, I really don’t think it would sell over here as Khan would be given no chance here. A better fight over here for Floyd would be Kell Brook, which would probably sell just as well as a Khan fight here and Kell would be given more of a chance, if only a tiny tiny one.
Good list Toro…The bottom line with FMJ is who’s creating the biggest buzz and is the least to threaten him. That’s why he went after Canelo (and the PPV sales backed up his thinking). I really can’t see Mayweather/B-HOP even come close to making big money (really, you want to pay $65 to see B-HOP grappling with FMJ for 12 rounds?...Please!)...Khan? Yeah, in the UK it would be huge money wise but competitively it will be a real one sided beat down of Khan by FMJ…Martinez has not looked impressive at all in his last few fights and FMJ knows that. I mean, how much would that fight sell? I love Bradley’s heart and his style would certainly give FMJ some problems. But how much does he have left after that incredible donnybrook against Ruslan? The Marquez fight will demonstrate that….GGG? Super exciting and a beast. Still, has he created enough of a buzz (outside the Boxing community ala Canelo/DelaHoya) that would be necessary to sell huge PPV numbers? Not sure. Also, what would be the catch weight for a GGG/FMJ fight? GGG would have to kill himself to make anything near 154. No, I don’t see that happening…Danny Garcia? Well at first I didn’t think he should have been mentioned for the FMJ sweepstakes. But after further review, this is a fight that can sell. A young, good, street tough fighter who can really fight and a boisterous, loudmouth father who can bang the drums and cause the kind of chaos that will help draw and sell PPV’s. (Heck, the possibility of seeing Garcia senior and Roger go at it might be worth the price of admission)...And then of course there is Pac Man. Don’t kid yourselves folks, FMJ will be watching the Rios/Pac Man fight intently. If Pac man takes Rios and Knocks Him the Flick Out, I guarantee you the FMJ/Pac man buzz will resurface, big time. Will FMJ fight Manny? Well, if he struggles against Rios and still produces a KO, I say that FMJ may very well consider it. Think about it. This would still be a PPV bonanza. Manny sells, even with his declining skills. The PPV numbers would be off the hook and FMJ would be fighting someone at this point whom he knows he can out box. So bottom line is, what names on a marquis do you think would catch peoples attention: FMJ vs GGG? FMJ vs Garcia? FMJ vs Khan? FMJ vs Bradley? FMJ vs Martinez? FMJ vs Pacquiao? All tough choices, but I think it comes down to Garcia and Pac Man…Peace.
“”I think Floyd beats everyone in history, and anyone who doesn’t realize that by now is stubborn, blind, stupid, or all three,” he told NYFightblog. “He is the best ever.”
Yes, you read that right. The best ever, no one better, not Ali, Joe Louis, the Sugar Rays …
“Me and Floyd are not friends, I don’t need to say this if I truly don’t believe it,” continued the 32-year-old Bensonhurst-bred welterweight, who held crowns at 140 and 147 pounds. “I’m saying it because it is simply the truth. I respect the guy but I don’t know him well, I don’t owe him any favors, so when I say he’s the best ever it’s because that’s truly what I feel.”
”I learned that way before the Canelo fight, but this kind of convinced me fully,” said Malignaggi in closing.”
Posted September 24, 2013 12:32 am
Been thinking about this as well, Ted and your list is a good one. Floyd only ever granted Castillo a rematch so I think JMM is off the table. A Khan fights makes sense in the UK, they could sell out a 50,000 seater stadium at £250 a pop, no problem and it’s easy work for Floyd. As soon as Floyd lands flush, it’s over.
So the other 3 fighters that I would LIKE to see him fight are GGG, Bradley and Pacquiao. But apart from Khan, he’s gonna need to pick fighter’s with 0’s to keep it financially viable, so that’s Bradley and Garcia, with possibly a Pac fight bucking that trend to end with.
I suppose one might say Floyd has used the US and Las Vegas as a form of geographic cherry picking since he has never fought outside of the US. On the other hand, if you can make more money in the U.S., why go anywhere else? I wonder if a Khan fight in London would make as much as a Khan fight in Las Vegas. The risk reward might shift against Mayweather in such an event.
I think any Top Rank fighter is off the table for Floyd unless they pay Arum to step aside and allow Golden Boy to be the sole promoter. I see no one at 140 or 147 that poses a threat to Floyd. I be way off here, but I think Austin Trout’s style beats Floyd.
As a fight fan, I’d love to see Martinez vs. Mayweather. However, In my opinion, it’s Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. That’s the biggest payday and the least risk for Mayweather. I don’t see Rios getting by Pacquiao.
I think Garcia (youth) and Khan (based on styles) might offer the toughest opposition. After that it’s a joy ride to 50 wins and greatness. Martinez is too old. Bradley is getting beat up. And Pac represents perfect timing to end the run.
DARRELL, Bradley’s condition remains a big question mark for me after than shelling he took from Ruslan. If he is damaged goods, he is in with the wrong guy in Marquez. who will shred him with counters and take him out in an exchange. If he beats JMM, he becomes very viable.
That boat has just about sailed Tex….if Pacquiao can sink the SS Rios with a 16 inch shell then it’s back on the table, otherwise I doubt it. I don’t see Bradley as an easy fight against anyone either.
B RED Golovkin`s a former amateur world champion, Olympic silver medallist with an amateur record of 340-5.He outboxed Dirrell in the amateurs – KO’ed Bute, beat Lee and Despaigne. Sturm refused to fight him for 2 years, Geale refused, Murray doesn`t want it. Chavez and Martinez won`t go near him, Floyd doesn’t have to fight bigger fighters to prove his Greatness,,
For me, the only one I really see of the top five that Mr. Sares has listed are one and two Sergio Martinez and Tim Bradley, the later if he only beats Marquez, a tough task even at Marquez’s old age. A win for Mayweather over Martinez would just add to his greatness, though Martinez is certainly not the same fighter who beat Williams and Pavlik, and as many suggest, may not even be the best middleweight out there right now. Bradley of course is also undefeated, and a win over Marquez (convincing) I think would make a Mayweather-Bradley fight very interesting. Garcia for me would have to beat Khan again, and then the winner of Marquez-Bradley to be a meaningful fight. Besides a win over Garcia, certainly a win over the Bradley-Marquez winner, and Lamont Peterson, or even his Argentinian conqueror Lucas. M. Yes I speak of Khan, even if someone like Dwyer of Gamblers advisory has suggested that Khan would have the best shot against Mayweather. Pacquiao, needs to beat Rio, and then fight the winner of Bradley-Marquez.
That’s a whole lot of good opponents….I want to see it.
A few caveats, nyet to Pac if Rios somehow manages to catch & blow him out. Khan is good money sense but gee….he’s lost a few lately.
I also do not want to see Provodnikov get a big payday from Mayweather. That would be a technical slaughter & highly embarrassing for both fighters…for Prov for getting chopped up so badly & Floyd for even, hypothetically, considering it. Here’s hoping this suggested fight, or suggestion of a fight, never sees the light of day again.