My Top Pound-for-Pound Fighters (Since 1945): Numbers 11-15

By Ted Sares on October 29, 2013
My Top Pound-for-Pound Fighters (Since 1945): Numbers 11-15
Sanchez possessed a granite chin and solid power in both hands but was not a brawler.

Why since 1945? Because I actually witnessed each boxer in action at one time or another and in that regard, I feel more comfortable in evaluating them…

There is no such thing as the perfect list of P4P boxers. High quality attempts have been made to close the gap by quantification, but in the end, the mostly subjective nature of any list comparing fighters across different weight categories and different eras will most certainly be the subject of passionate and heated debate. That said, here is my own list of numbers 11 through 15 since 1945—and why since 1945? Well, because I actually witnessed each boxer in action at one time or another and in that regard, I feel more comfortable in evaluating them. In addition, I carefully analyzed records, style, chin, KO percentages, skill-sets, entire bodies of work, prime years, dominance, quality of opposition, and the era(s) in which a boxer worked. There were other criteria as well.

But first my Top Ten list initially compiled and published in 2007 and then slightly revised in Boxing.com on August 31, 2013 is as follows:

1.  Sugar Ray Robinson
2.  Willie Pep
3.  Joe Louis
4.  Eder Jofre
5.  Muhammad Ali
6.  Carlos Monzon
7.  Sandy Saddler
8.  Sugar Ray Leonard
9.  Roberto Duran
10. Ezzard Charles

Eleven through fifteen

Picking the next five boxers was a difficult task to be sure. How can one overlook Archie Moore who fought nine world champions and seven Hall-of-Famers, Fighting Harada’s two wins over Jofre, Finito Lopez’s undefeated record, or the smooth Jose Napoles?  What about Cerdan, Locche, “El Feo,” or the big boppers Holmes, Foreman, and the Rock? Was I influenced by the number of losses the legendary Ike Williams suffered or should I have been more influenced by his 126 wins? But lines had to be drawn and choices had to be made. Here they are for better or worse:

11. Salvador “Chava” Sanchez finished with 44-1-1 record with 32 KOs when his career, like that of the great Japanese fighter Masao Ohba, was cut short by fate when he drove his Porsche into a truck on a lonely Mexican road. At the time of his death, he was considered one of the top pound-for-pound fighters in the world. An unusually slick boxer, Sanchez possessed a granite chin and solid power in both hands but was not a brawler. Instead, he used his amazing endurance, counterpunching ability and footwork to skillfully breakdown and stop his opponents.

In August 1981 in Las Vegas, WBC featherweight champion Sanchez, from Santiago Tianguistenco, México, defended his title against WBC super bantamweight champion Wilfredo Gomez, from Puerto Rico. Sanchez was 41-1-1 at the time. Gomez was undefeated at 32-0-1. It was a classic Mexico vs. Puerto Rico faceoff. In what was called “The Battle of the Little Giants,” millions of Hispanics mobbed closed-circuit TV outlets to watch. The warriors did not disappoint. The 21-year-old Sanchez took the favored Gomez’s best shots and then put a wicked beating on the courageous but outgunned Bazooka until the fight was stopped in the eighth round. Chants of “ME-HI-CO! ME-HI-CO!” echoed through Caesars Palace as a jubilant Sanchez was lifted up and carried about the ring.

In the ninth defense of his WBC featherweight title, Chava battled an unknown Ghanaian, Azumah Nelson, at Madison Square Garden. The relentless Nelson proved to be a stern test and gave Sanchez all he could handle. Sanchez managed to drop Nelson in the seventh round, but the skilled and game Nelson kept coming. In the last round and with the fight close, Chava took matters into his own hands by finally putting his punches together in a punishing and decisive combination that dropped Nelson for the second time in the fight. Nelson rose but was hurt. Chava quickly closed matters.

There was talk of a rematch but tragically, on August 12, 1982, he died in a fatal car accident. He was only twenty-three. The entire country of Mexico and the global boxing community mourned his untimely passing.

During Sanchez’s title reign, the total won-loss record of his opponents was 342-17-1.He had many great matchups and big paydays awaiting him. How he would have fared is conjectural, but that is part of the legend of Salvador Sanchez. He was inducted into the IBHOF in 1991.

”Death comes to all. But great achievements build a monument which shall endure until the sun grows cold.”—George Fabricius

12. Julio Cesar “J.C. Superstar” Chavez, 104-5-2 with 80 KOs, won five world titles in three different divisions. He also went undefeated for 89 bouts before losing his first. He was the very essence of the ultra-macho Mexican fighter. Having beaten over 10 former world champions, Chavez did everything expected of a legend and more. He won his first championship, the vacant WBC super featherweight title, in 1884 by knocking out fellow Mexican Mario Martínez and defended that title 10 times. In 1987, he moved up to the lightweight division and, angered by how the Puerto Rican bomber, Edwin Rosario, had supposedly insulted the Mexican people prior to the match, defeated him with a vicious 11th round stoppage to win the WBA lightweight championship.

With an incoming style that destroyed the bodies of his opponents, he continued his reign of terror. He beat Greg Haugen before an astounding 136,000 fans at Estadio Azteca. Again, pre-fight insults, albeit not without some humor, played a part in the brutal beating suffered by Haugen. Finally, he faced underdog Frankie Randall in January 1994 and was knocked down for the first time in his career. He lost a split decision—his first defeat. Chavez would then win some and lose some, including stoppage losses at the hands of Oscar De La Hoya and Kostya Tszyu. He would move in and out of retirement until 2005, when he finally called it quits with an old-school mark of 108-6-2 (87 KOs) and the record for most successful defenses of world titles (27) and most title fights (37). Julio also earned the second best winning streak (89-0) of an undefeated fighter in boxing history. He retired in 2005 without doing serious harm to his great legacy.

“El Leon de Culiacan’s ‘track-them down-and–execute’ style of fighting will live on in fistic lore.”—Johnny Ortiz

13. Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Though born in Newark, NJ, he started his serious boxing career in gritty Brockton, Mass. After winning 57 amateur fights and the 1973 AAU national middleweight championship, he turned professional and the rest is, of course, well documented.  Rocky Marciano, an inspiration for Hagler,first called national attention to Brockton, but Hagler put it on the global map. Giving new meaning to the term “avoided fighter,” Marvelous Marvin’s final record was 62-3-2 with 52 coming by way of KO. He was the undisputed middleweight champion from 1980 to 1987 and made 12 title defenses. He also holds the highest KO% of all middleweight champions at 78%. An intensely loyal man, Hagler’s close and enduring relationship with trainer Goody Petronelli was based on a handshake.

Marvelous Marvin was the quintessential blue-collar fighter, possessing a granite chin, great focus, a superb work ethic, and a fearsome and intimidating persona. He often traveled to other fighters’ hometowns for fights, and some of his most memorable pre-title competition came in boxing-crazy Philadelphia. When Hagler entered the ring in a white hooded robe and bald head, there were neon-like flashes of nourish menace.

Among Hagler’s victims were William “Caveman” Lee, Vito Antuofermo, Tony Sibson, Fulgencio Obelmejias, Mustafa Hamsho, Roberto Duran, Juan Roldan, and John Mugabi. His unmitigated and thrilling three-round shootout with Tommy Hearns is regarded as one of the best action fights of all time. Hagler did several things very well, but he did one thing exceptionally well and that was to win. He also was one of the few who left boxing, in 1987, on his own terms.

He was listed at No. 35 on Ring magazine’s “Greatest Punchers” list.

“It had two terrific fighters determined to search and destroy (although little time was spent searching). The Ring called the bout the most electrifying eight minutes ever and Hagler-Hearns won Fight of the Year honors for 1985, despite lasting only three rounds.”—From Boxing.com, April 24, 2012

“I played it like a man but I enjoyed it like a boy.”—Marvelous Marvin Hagler

14. Tie between Pernell “Sweet Pea” Whitaker and Aaron “The Hawk” Pryor

Pernell Whitaker was the lightweight silver medalist at the 1982 World Championships, followed by winning the gold medals at the 1983 Pan American Games and the 1984 Olympics.

During his professional career, he became world champion in four different weight divisions and retired in 20011 with a final slate of 40-4-1-1. He fought such noteworthy opponents as Greg Haugen, James “Buddy” McGirt, Julio Cesar Chavez, Azumah Nelson, Oscar De La Hoya, and Felix Trinidad. In fact, at least eight his opponents were undefeated at the time he met them. His draw with Chavez in 1993 and his SD loss to Jose Louis Ramirez in 1988 are considered among the worst decisions in boxing history.

Sweet Pea, a slick and technically gifted southpaw, possessed defensive abilities ranked among the best in boxing history. In many respects, he was Floyd Mayweather Jr. before Floyd Mayweather Jr. He could shuck and jive his body fluidly out of harm’s way and while he might not appease a blood-thirsty fan, he was a purist’s delight. Fighters who can score knockouts tend to carry more cachet than slick stylists. Whitaker, however, carried plenty of cachet, but maybe his style was the cause for not winning two fights in which he dominated.

For his achievements, he was named the 1989 Fighter of the Year by Ring magazine and also by the Boxing Writers Association of America for both 1989 and 1993. Ring ranked him number 10 in their list of 100 Greatest Fighters of the Last 80 Years. Whitaker was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility in 2007 and into the WBHOF in 2008. In 2010, he was inducted into the Hampton Roads Sports Hall of Fame, honoring those who have contributed to sports in southeastern Virginia.

And then there’s Aaron Pryor. This KO artist’s final record was a superior 38-1 with 35 KOs. Not unlike Tito Trinidad, Saad Muhammad, Danny “Little Red” Lopez, and Jaime Garza, Pryor would frequently get off the canvas and with whirlwind abandon, knock out his opponents with a volley of assorted punches. This, of course, greatly enhanced his fan-appeal. Pryor’s immense determination, energy, and stamina earned him the chance to fight legendary Colombian champion Antonio Cervantes in August of 1980. Pryor stopped Cervantes in four dominant rounds and his career took off. After a number of wins, he fought and stopped Alexis Arguello in a classic ebb and flow battle in 1982. Ring magazine called it both the Fight of the Year and the Fight of the Decade. He dispatched a damaged Arguello in their rematch and after the fight, both men announced, albeit prematurely, that they were retiring from boxing.

The Hawk proved dominant as he defended his title as the junior welterweight champion 11 times before retiring in 1985, but then made an unwise comeback that lasted until 1990, a comeback which, fortunately, did little harm to his legacy.

“Pryor describes his style as an explosion. ‘He seems to gain strength from adverse situations,’ Steward says. ‘It seems he’s against everybody in the world and everybody is against him. But from all his troubles and frustrations comes this incredible energy.’”—Pat Putnam from Good Night, Sweet Prince, September 19, 1983, Sports Illustrated

“He was just too strong. When I went down the second time, I thought, ‘My God, what’s happening?’ Then the next round I hit him with a couple of good shots and nothing happened, and I thought, ‘Jesus, he’s not human.’”—Alexis Arguello

Pryor was inducted into the IBHOF in 1996

Like Pernell Whitaker, Aaron Pryor had issues outside of the ring. However, both overcame those issues and are now working diligently as trainers.

15. Khaosai Galaxy (Sura Saenkham). Aside from his fluke loss to Sakda “Sak Galaxy” Saksuree, 9-9, for the Thai bantamweight title in 1981, which he quickly avenged by KO, Galaxy never took part in what could be called a close fight. He finished his remarkable career with a record of 49-1 with 43 coming by way of stoppage. Once he became champion, he won 19 consecutive title fights during a seven-year span. He was listed at No. 19 on Ring magazine’s Greatest Punchers list.

There was nothing quite like watching Khaosai fight during a hot and steamy night in Bangkok where the ex-kick boxer enjoyed cult-like popularity. I had that unforgettable pleasure twice while visiting Thailand. In one fight that I witnessed in 1990, he stopped Cobra Ari Blanca in the fifth round. I also saw him KO a Panamanian named Ernesto Ford in Petchaboon later that same year.

Sometimes called “The Thai Tyson,” Galaxy possessed “dynamite laden” fists. With a staggering KO percentage of 86%, he had one-punch knockout power. He could stun an opponent with a single punch, setting him up for certain closure. When this happened, he would move in while imposing his tremendous physique. His fists and arms would be held high ready to cut loose. As he got close, the frenzied crowd would be screaming for the end. He became the very essence of a predator cutting off the ring, making deadly contact, and accomplishing the kill with a variety of savage power shots thrown with uncanny accuracy. Once he had his man hurt, he gave new meaning to the word “closure.”

The hard-hitting southpaw was an equal opportunity destroyer and did his thing against Mexicans, Venezuelans, South Koreans, Japanese, Colombians, Indonesians, Panamanians, Dominicans, Americans and Filipinos, as well as warriors from the Thailand.

Khaosai won the WBA Boxer of the Year award twice, in 1989 and 1990. In 1999, he was elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame. He is acknowledged by many as the best 115-pounder in history, as well as one of the greatest and most dominant fighters from Asia, though some might argue that his level of opposition could have been better.

Galaxy remains a national hero in his native Thailand.  When he retired after beating Armando “Monstruo” Castro in December 1991, he joined a close fraternity of savvy Asian fighters who retired as World Champions and stayed retired.

My Top Pound-for-Pound Fighters (Since 1945): Numbers 1-10
My Top Pound-for-Pound Fighters (Since 1945): Numbers 11-15
My Top Pound-for-Pound Fighters (Since 1945): Numbers 16-20
My Top Pound-for-Pound Fighters (Since 1945): Numbers 21-25

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  1. BIKERMIKE 04:36pm, 11/08/2013

    ...........TEd….you are a very informed Boxing guy…......

    I’m still scratching my head about Archie Moore…....

    You had your reasons…but ....look at your list…...maybe take out leonard and put in MOORE

  2. Ted 02:21pm, 11/01/2013

    Thanks Eric. Olivares is a tough one to leave out but I like Napoles even better.

  3. Eric Jorgensen 02:05pm, 11/01/2013

    Great effort and great fun.  I think Khaosai Galaxy is among the most under-rated fighters of all-time, so kudos for including him.  I like that Aaron Pryor is in there as well. 

    I sympathize with Monte’s wish to see Hearns and Arguello recognized, but the one guy who is missing who I think really should be in there is Rock-a-bye Ruben Oliveres.  When he was a fit and sober bantamweight, he was as close to unstobbable as anyone who ever lived.  That’s not a criticism of your list tho—it’s just one guy’s humble opinion.

  4. Ted 06:57pm, 10/31/2013

    Thanks Tex. I will end it at 25

  5. Tex Hassler 06:43pm, 10/31/2013

    As you said no pound for pound list is completely satisfactory to everyone. Someone always get left out. Your list is good in my humble opinion.

  6. Ted 07:10am, 10/31/2013

    Kid, Go no. I’m may end it at 25—maybe even higher but not much higher I did my 100 in 2006. That was enough. This one will most likely be my “Top 25 (revised)”

  7. kid vegas 09:48pm, 10/30/2013

    HOW FAR ARE YOU GOING TO GO WITH THIS? YOU GOING TO DO 100?

  8. EZ E 05:31pm, 10/30/2013

    Yes TEDDY, the same goes for Louis, no doubt, as I once said of Joe in your previous similar article. The war really deprived the fight fans of many great fighters, many just getting started and many more who had already launched their careers.

  9. John aka L.L. Cool John 05:25pm, 10/30/2013

    Good points, EZ E!

  10. Ted 05:18pm, 10/30/2013

    True EZ Z, BUT Louis spent 3 years in the Army so one offsets the other in a way. Lots of the great 50’s fighters served and gave up valuable years in their careers.

    But you are correct, we missed the prime Ali of the legal stuff. Pity

  11. EZ E 05:13pm, 10/30/2013

    In all fairness to Ali, sadly, we probably NEVER got to see the BEST of him. He was just beginning to get into his prime, 26 yrs YOUNG, when the BEST years of his career was practically snatched away from him. After nearly FOUR years, he comes back, not nearly the fighter he once was. Four years of inactivity can/will destroy most fighters, especially those that once defined their careers and styles on reflexes, quickness and hand speed, ESPECIALLY when you’re fighting at over 210Lbs, ask ANY trainer. It’s no secret that he was rushed into the Frazier fight before the Federal Court ruling was handed down, the inactivity had already taken it’s toll. Yes, he still made a remarkable comeback but… in my opinion we NEVER actually saw the BEST of Ali, when they ‘stripped’ him they also STRIPPED US ALL of probably witnessing an even GREATER version of “I AM THE GREATEST!!”

  12. Ted 04:06pm, 10/30/2013

    Louis was 12-2 after 1945 and also lost 3 years in the Army. He stays in!!!!!!!!!

  13. Ted 04:02pm, 10/30/2013

    Mayweather and Pacquiao are still fighting. They are not in this list.

  14. Ted 04:00pm, 10/30/2013

    John aka L.L. Cool John , great post but number 5 is pretty high and he had a lot of close fights.

  15. tuxtucis 03:28pm, 10/30/2013

    And Joe Louis can’t be in a ranking after 1945…He was in his prime before WWII…his results after 1945 are not so great…

  16. tuxtucis 03:24pm, 10/30/2013

    Eder Jofre 4th? He lost twice with the only great fighter he ever meat (Harada)...those were 2 close fights in hostile turf, but he did not win…And who ever he ahd beaten? Both Mayweather and Pacquiao have far better victories resumee than the Brazilian…And I think neither can be in this top 10…

  17. John aka L.L. Cool John 02:59pm, 10/30/2013

    An interesting read, Ted. As usual, it was very well written and researched. However, in my opinion, Ali should be rated higher than No. 5 on the list. Here’s why: The late 60s and into the 70s produced the best crop of heavyweights we will probably ever see. The competition was better than any other time in history with guys like Liston, Quarry, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Foreman, et al. That (not to mention the turbulent times of the 60s and the pressure and hatred of being a black draft dodger in America) makes Ali No. 1 in my book.

  18. Anonymous 01:11pm, 10/30/2013

    Tunney beat Harry Greb three out of four

  19. Ted 01:04pm, 10/30/2013

    Thanks EZ Z

  20. EZ E 12:54pm, 10/30/2013

    UNCLE TEDDY Honestly, I’m not saying that Sanchez didn’t belong, he does, only that I wouldn’t have ranked him so high. As for his win over Nelson, well, Azumah was a 15 fight rookie and took the fight on a short notice and was ahead entering the final rouds. If he wasn’t managed by Carl King, Nelson never would’ve gotten the call. But, all in all your’s is a VERY impressive list, NO DOUBT, as always!

  21. Ted 12:29pm, 10/30/2013

    EZ, ME AMIGO, 2 wins over a prime Lopez, one over Nelson, and a smashing upset of Gomez gives him entry.  Everything else was icing on the cake. But your point is taken. Every time I clicked the send button on one of these selections I have second thought.  But then I say to myself look, the difference is a hair, so why sweat it?

  22. EZ E 12:03pm, 10/30/2013

    Well, it’s hard to argue the validity of any of the fighters listed or suggested. Personally, I wouldn’t have had ‘Chava’ Sanchez up so high. Did his win over Gomez get him over the hump?? Was that enough? He passed away at 23 yrs. old. Was his career long enough? Who’s to say? Would’ve he gotten better? Or.. leveled out and begin to sputter?? We’ve seen plenty examples of that in the past and throughout the game’s history. Danny Lopez was a damn good fighter but was carefully matched for the most part and would’ve lost to the better fighters of the division. His popularity kept him him safe until he was sacrificed. Finito definitely was the most dominant fighter among the UNpopular “little guys” divisions during his career,  with no serious threats or challenges forthcoming.

  23. Ted 11:28am, 10/30/2013

    Monte. here are some other criteria I used:


    1) Was there a reasonable distribution regarding weight classifications? Too many heavyweights means something is very wrong.

    2) Was there a reasonable distribution regarding era?

    3) Did I know enough about each boxer to make a qualitative judgment? Have I ever seen Percy Bassett fight?

    4) Did I benchmark? For example, if Joe Frazier is too far away from Rocky Marciano, something is probably amiss.

    5) Did I avoid personal bias in making the selections? Was Bobby Chacon a valid choice?

    6) Did Hall of Fame induction bias my selections?

  24. Ted 10:09am, 10/30/2013

    tuxtucis , like Marciano he beat everyone they put in front of him. To call him monotonous is incorrect. He was exceedingly exciting if you like stalk, stun, and kill type of fights. He was a Discovery Channel kind of guy.

  25. tuxtucis 09:42am, 10/30/2013

    I disagree totally with Galaxy in top-15… it has no sense to tell Arguello is after him cause he was stopped twice by Pryor…it was at 140, while he was at his best at 126 and 130…do you think maybe Galaxy would have beaten Azumah Nelson at 126? I think he would have been stopped…
    Galaxy was very monotonous and he has beaten no one worth of mention, although his straight left to the body was impressive…

  26. Mike Casey 09:37am, 10/30/2013

    Yes, Ted, I think it would.

  27. Ted 09:34am, 10/30/2013

    Thanks Mike. I certainly use you as a bench mark as well as other. Hope they use me, too. Sooner or later, we all might agree on a top ten list. Wouldn’t that be something. One of theses days, I think I will do a weighted list to see where most historian and writers and both put their fighters. That would be unique—I think.


    And If I went back beyond 1945, I have to do that anyway. Be fun.

  28. Mike Casey 09:25am, 10/30/2013

    Anyone who does this deserves a big pat on the back, whatever we might think of their opinions. I do it, Monte Cox does it and Matt McGrain does it. We sometimes get shot to hell for doing it, but we stand up and make our call. Well done, Ted!

  29. Ted 08:40am, 10/30/2013

    One criterion I use that I kind of like more than some others is where a fighter ranks relative to another, As an example, if Joe Frazier is too far away from Marciano—or if Holmes and Foreman are far apart, something is probably wrong.

    Thus Hagler and SRL and Hearns and Duran should all be in a cluster

  30. Monte Cox 08:32am, 10/30/2013

    Not going to lose any friends here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, its subjective anyway. Im not even sure how I would rate them using your parameters and haven’t looked at all time ratings seriously in a decade although I may be doing that again soon.

  31. Ted 07:01am, 10/30/2013

    B Red , where are the Klits?

  32. Ted 07:00am, 10/30/2013

    I’m staying out of the Greb thing because I just don’t know enough about him to make a reasonable comment.

  33. Ted 06:59am, 10/30/2013

    Yes, I gave a lot of thought about Finito indeed. See where I said,“Picking the next five boxers was a difficult task to be sure. How can one overlook Archie Moore who fought nine world champions and seven Hall-of-Famers, Fighting Harada’s two wins over Jofre, Finito Lopez’s undefeated record, or the smooth Jose Napoles?  What about Cerdan, Locche, “El Feo,” or the big boppers Holmes, Foreman, and the Rock? Was I influenced by the number of losses the legendary Ike Williams suffered or should I have been more influenced by his 126 wins? But lines had to be drawn and choices had to be made. Here they are for better or worse”

    The next 5 will be excruciatingly difficult and will likely cost me many friends but that might be offset by turning around some current enemies.

  34. Monte Cox 04:35am, 10/30/2013

    About Arguello. Yes Pryor did beat him twice and Im not arguing Pryor should be higher although the first fight was the “special bottle I mix” fight administered by the known criminal and banned cheater Panama Lewis. Arguello looked the fresher fighter after 13 rounds and had a very strong finish to the round and then Pryor bolts out n the 14th like a demon possessed. Irregardless Arguello started off as a Featherweight champion trying to win a Jr. Welterweight title from perhaps the greatest 140 pound title holder ever, no disgrace. And as I said Arguello was considered the best fighter in the world at his weight from 126-135 when he held those titles, a legit triple crown champ.

  35. Monte Cox 04:30am, 10/30/2013

    At FrankinDallas: Unfair comment about Greb.  Greb’s record speaks for itself, its impeccable. AND there are plenty of films of guys that Greb beat as I have stated in other posts about Greb. ‘There are films of truly outstanding fighters that he defeated such as Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jimmy Slattery, Mickey Walker, Bill Brennan and Gene Tunney. That is enough to know how great Greb was. Also you cannot totally ignore the newspaper accounts many of them were highly respected boxing observers who knew the sport and what they were looking at. Doesn’t have anything to do with this article. But Greb is considered to be great for a reason.

  36. B Red 11:23pm, 10/29/2013

    My Top Five since 1992 in no particular order. Floyd, Bhop, Holyfield, Marquez, Lennox

  37. FrankinDallas 06:46pm, 10/29/2013

    Ted…did you give any thought to including Ricardo “Finito” Lopez
    somewhere on your list? The guy dominated his division….51 (38)-0-1
    is a pretty good record.

    I appreciate your definition to include fighters you’ve seen. I could not care less what histrionic newspapermen (whose job it was to sell newspapers ffs) said about Harry Greb: no one alive has seen the guy fight. Making a judgement on the basis of heresay is not valid, IMO. It certainly is NOT a scientific means of measuring ANYTHING much less a practictioner of “the sweet science”.

  38. Ted 05:25pm, 10/29/2013

    Whoops, I forgot him

  39. raxman 02:45pm, 10/29/2013

    ted - what? no GGG? only kidding. i’d never watched that sweet pea vs mayweather fight before. I have to track down the full fight now it looks to be a great fight.

  40. Ted 02:18pm, 10/29/2013

    Thanks Eric.


    As for Pac, he is still fighting.

  41. Ted 02:16pm, 10/29/2013

    Monte, Pryor waxed Arguello twice. No one ever came close to even hurting Galaxy. Barkley waxed Hearns and then won a UD. Those losses mean something. The differences between Hearns, Pryor, Arguello and Galaxy is very thin, but I had to make choices. Actually, El Feo was the most difficult to leave out along with Moore.


    Looks like I am going to go for 16-20 at some point.

  42. lol 01:25pm, 10/29/2013

    pacman should be there

  43. Monte Cox 12:42pm, 10/29/2013

    I lwould like Hearns in the top 15. Pryor was a great fighter but Tommy Hearns longevity and accomplishments mean something. I would take Alexis Arguello over Galaxy as well he was a legit triple crown champion and was the best fighter in the world in each of the weight classes he was champion in at the time he held the title at 126-130-135, which cannot be said of every multiple division champion of recent years.

  44. Eric 12:25pm, 10/29/2013

    Good to see Pryor get some recognition, often he gets overlooked. Pryor missed out on some big pay days with Duran, Leonard, Hearns and even Ray Mancini. Speaking of Hearns, he has to be top twenty at least in P4P since 1945. In everyone’s eyes except the judges Hearns split his two fights with Leonard,  he destroyed Duran and Cuevas, beat Benitez, and gave Hagler quite a scare in their 3 round slugfest. Captured titles from 147-190lbs. Granted the titles weren’t undisputed titles but still that is quite a range in weight classes to become world champion in. The Barkley fights hurt Hearns standing probably, no shame in the Hagler or Leonard losses though.

  45. Irish Frankie Crawford Beat Saijo aka Gimpel 11:31am, 10/29/2013

    Ted Sares-Just imagine the controversy if you had Sugar Ray Robinson and Willie Pep reversed in ranking. Some could never envision such a thing….I could.

  46. Ted 10:45am, 10/29/2013

    Kid and Big Walter, both are still fighting. If Mayweather goes undefeated, against tough opposition, he will get a prominent place in my list. As for Archie Moore, he might be number 16 but El Feo would have something to say about that. Jones is still fighting and the more he loses, the worse it gets to remember what he once was., but a rime Roy Jones was an ATG IMO.


    Bill, thanks. I even like that one. LOL

  47. kid vegas 10:19am, 10/29/2013

    Well presented. Tightly and convincingly argued.  And enjoyable to read, but where is Archie Moore? He had more knockouts than most fighters had fights. Also, Roy Jones belongs in there, maybe in your top ten.

  48. dollarbond 10:04am, 10/29/2013

    “neon-like flashes of nourish menace” is pure Ted Sares.  Love it!

  49. BIG WALTER 09:58am, 10/29/2013

    Well I will ask the obvious and most stupid question, but where is Mayweather?

  50. Ted 08:30am, 10/29/2013

    Thanks Don. Galaxy’s opposition level was the issue, but his dominance was major.

  51. Don from Prov 08:22am, 10/29/2013

    Good list, Ted: I thought you’d have Saldivar (sp.?) on there—

    And from what you’ve said in conversation, Galaxy a little higher.

  52. Ted 08:19am, 10/29/2013

    Rant: “How can one overlook Archie Moore who fought nine world champions and seven Hall-of-Famers, Fighting Harada’s two wins over Jofre, Finito Lopez’s undefeated record, or the smooth Jose Napoles?  What about Cerdan, Locche, “El Feo,” or the big boppers Holmes, Foreman, and the Rock? Was I influenced by the number of losses the legendary Ike Williams suffered or should I have been more influenced by his 126 wins? But lines had to be drawn and choices had to be made”

  53. Rant 08:18am, 10/29/2013

    Where is Ike Williams?

  54. Ted 08:18am, 10/29/2013

    Gracias amigo pero nada keeps me away from the links, nada.

  55. Pete The Sneak 08:00am, 10/29/2013

    Toro, muy chevere and nicely done. Looks like you sacrificed some serious Tee-Off time to gather this data. Pretty cool list indeed…Peace.

  56. Ted 07:21am, 10/29/2013

    CG, I hear you on ties. They tend to be a cop out. But in this case, the similarities and/or the exact opposites allowed for the rare tie. Even their out-of-the-ring issues were similar though Pryor’s were more serious.

    While Pernell was a defensive wizard, Pryor was an offensive monster.

  57. Ted 07:18am, 10/29/2013

    such a think was obviously a Freudian slip.

  58. Anonymous 07:17am, 10/29/2013

    naughtiness in Thailand—why I do declare, I have never heard of such a think. By the same token, I have never met so many members of the clergy!!

  59. Clarence George 07:13am, 10/29/2013

    Such lists are, by definition, debatable, but this one is well thought out and eminently defensible.  I don’t like ties, though, and would have given the edge to Pryor.

    Now…what naughtiness did you get up to while in Thailand?  Come on, we’re all men here, so let’s have it.

  60. Ted 06:49am, 10/29/2013

    Danka

  61. Meinhard Schmidt 06:43am, 10/29/2013

    I like this list!

  62. Ted 06:37am, 10/29/2013

    Thanks Dan. I enjoyed doing it. See you soon.

  63. Dan Cuoco 06:34am, 10/29/2013

    Nice list.You really did an exhaustive amount of first class research.

  64. Ted 06:03am, 10/29/2013

    He is still fighting so I left him off. Guys must be retired.

    As for the debates, I have my armor ready but the incoming will get heavy.

  65. es 06:01am, 10/29/2013

    Cracking list. Love p4p lists as they create massive debate. Where is RJJ though Ted ? Lol. Perhaps the true definition of a p4p fighter ?!?

  66. Ted 06:00am, 10/29/2013

    Thanks Bill. Reviewed a lot of video footage indeed.

  67. dollarbond 05:57am, 10/29/2013

    Great job of research Ted

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