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Congrats Frankieeeee—13-0 on the big ones—UPS my dough to the Marriott on The Riverwalk, San Antonio, Dec 13th and see you at the fights that weekend. Pacman fought smart, fast, hard punching. As per my other post on Rios—outcoached, outclassed, outpunched. The “Game Plan” was….get hit in the face repeatedly and hope your face wears out Manny’s hands. Failed!!!!
My hope is to do a full write up on Manny vs Floyd, and in full consideration of Floyd’s style and age of next fall, when this fight might be workable—hoping to do that in January Korokan—and thanks for the post
Of course—very interesting points—long list, Bob Foster getting ten counted by Joe Frazier and going on to defend his title ten times. Ezzard Charles getting ripped by Jersey Joe in their third fight and coming back incredibly inside of the next few months to beat Rex Layne and Joey Maxim. Ken Norton collapsing in his corner after having the hell beaten out of him by Jose Luis Garcia and going on to a huge Hall of Fame career. Ruben Olivares, while not unconscious, going thru a hellacious war with Arguello and getting dropped late, and count out in the 13th and coming back inside six months incredibly to knock out School Boy Bobby Chacon. But interesting points.
The is one distinction to be drawn between the knockouts of Lewis, Louis, Duran and Patterson referred to above, and that of Pacquiao: Louis and Patterson went down (and stayed down) from an accumulation of punches and were net really ‘knocked out’, while Duran and Lewis, though rendered temporily unconscious, were awake before the count was completed, but not able to get up in time. Pacquiao was knocked OUT in the true sense of the word, and remained out for several minutes. ‘Out’ as Walcott was against Marciano and Tate was against Weaver. Walcott and Tate were never the same after that, and should have retired. So should Manny Pacquiao.
i hope mike schmidt will write about why fans of pacman clamoring for a fight against fraud gayweather jr., while fans of fraud jr. are not interested to see their idol fight pac. the reason being is that they consider pacman already a washed up fighter and is not in the caliber of fraud jr. despite pac’s agreeing on osdt (olympic style drug testing), still fraud jr. seems to have unlimited excuses after excuses to avoid that megafight against pac. and fraud jr.‘s fans also in agreement with their idol. if fraud jr.,‘s self-claimed greatness is certified only by fighting boxers not named manny pacquiao, that greatness is raw and invalid!!! and yet yahoo! sportswriters like paul magno and david king are continuously doing every way they could to ruin pac with their trash articles against pac and praise fraud jr. with his defensive style and ring intelligence. in boxing, the outcome of the bout is the primary gauge of a boxer and not style, which is only secondary. but for floyd jr.‘s fans his style is what makes him great not the fighters fraud jr. faced and defeated.
i’ll be amazed if this doesn’t turn out to pac v hatton revisited. its not just pac’s power its the angles he gets on his punches, the timing at which he delivers them. bam bam will be hurt because he’ll be hit without realizing that the punch is coming. you look at pac’s best performances and they’re against guys, like rios, that come straight ahead looking for the brawl.
Thank you- it’s hard to imagine how Brandon is going to cope with Manny’s in and out, turning, footspeed. Brandon likes to set up and plant before he punches-ain’t happening with the Pacman. Mr Rios is going to eat a whole lot of shots to get where he wants to get. But but but other than Abril have we ever scene a Bam Bam affair that was not exciting!!!! Thanks again for the post and enjoy the fights!!!
nice read. One thing is for sure, Manny’s speed and power are still there. A common knowledge witnessed during the JMM fight. however, his tolerance to power shots maybe diminished, but its not the caliber of Rios to make an unpredictable shot that will make Manny guessing. The question is: is Rios ready for a motivated Manny.
i will be surprised if manny will still be able to compete the same way 5 yrs ago.. he will destroy rios in an impressive manner, bad timing for brandon to face the filipino legend at this time when pac is on the wall. at 35 he is already declining, but enough for any best welters out there, the way pac fighting way bigger guys than him and his ways of taking a punch just to land his own has already take its toll. and the most that really is the sad part is he was taken by his so many extra curricular activities outside the ring which in turn we havent seen his max potential as a fighter, can you imagine pacquiao who will only breathes boxing? deym what kind of extreme animal might weve seen in the ring.. anyway he has carried the sport in his shoulder for a couple of years when no one is done it.. he has excited fans and bring mainstream to the sport in someway.. pac has done enough when not one of us expected him to do.. a one arm fighter with a typhoon pace that is too much for everybody.. nice ride though.. manny has enough left he will still entertain us for a couple.. enjoy the legendary pacquiao.. you will miss this all time great 2-3 years from now
Manny has been there before & will bounce back with an exceptional class. He likes the feeling & savors this somewhat like an “underdog” status. It just motivates him. His last 2 fights are not a picture of a fighter who is going down.
Interesting point- in Duran’s case he was 33 and was over 80 fights and most certainly lived fast and furious. It was one of the few birthday bash fights for Roberto where he obviously did not shine. There are of course a long further list of guys coming back- ie Jersey Joe Walcott for example
You are forgetting something folks. All the comebacks from a KO came when these boxers - Joe Louis, Roberto Duran, Lennox Lewis, Floyd Patterson, and Manny himself - were in their early twenties or under thirty. Manny is almost 35 years old when he fights in November 23. Not to mention his extra-curricular activities, which dissipated his energy and focus. He could win one, two, or three more fights, but I doubt if he will rise again like he was before.
Two geezers at Caesers!!! I like it Biker- good stuff. Well, we know we will never see these two in the ring in their prime obviously. Look at Frazier vs Ali Numero 3- both guys way past their prime days but it still was a hell of a fight. Biker watching my man Roberto eat that cobra long right hand pains me to this day- seasoned corner on Duran’s side I must say- they lifted the great Champion off the canvas asap to avoid the look of snoozeland for too long camera optics- keep on punching Biker and thanks as always for the post from this crazy Canuck in K-W land
pbf faced a Mexican tuff kid…with lots of wins….and was about as dangerous to pbf as my Mother..who is 90 ys old..still alive…but suffering from dementia and no idea what comes next
WHat a threat pbf has exposed himself to…....YET…even as ....whatever that was…
We got pacman facing…sorry ...can’t think of it just now…..
Two ‘herculan’ efforts by ...name fighters…to stage or not…the much awaited ..‘thing’
And good morning Viet Nam!!! You got it perfecto right Punch. And Mr. Bob Arum is adding fuel to the Manny fire with items such as “this could be the end” if he does not win and it “would be devastating to Manny” if he lost. Methinks Brandon Rios, and lets not mistake this—a big ask taking this guy on after a layoff, is going to be at the end of the Manny Phoenix and in the end Bam Bam is going to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong guy!!!!
We followed the story of Manny Pacquiao that every time he was knockout he became a real beast…you guys better watch his chronology fight video….he’s first knockout was from the hand of Rustico Torrecampo of Philippines that turned him into a Terminator after all then came the second one from Medgoen Singsurat of Thailand that made Pacquiao The Destroyer afterall… and the last one from Erik Morales loss-decision he was then became a PACMAN.
The guy who won 8 division championship (the only) is an exception to the of never return list…..
Ah Mel you are trying to get me into trouble with my Pinoy friends. Look I am on record for a few years, up to last year, now, that Floyd beats Manny. I am going to surprise my friends that know me on your question—FLOYD HAS BEEN SHOWING SIGNS OF SLOWING DOWN IN THE SPEED DEPARTMENT (COTTO FIGHT)—In your scenario by next fall FLOYD WILL BE CLOSE TO 38 YEARS OLD—People forget he is getting old—amazing how he continues to perform at such a level—POWER IS THE LAST THING TO GO FOR OLD FIGHTERS—ASK GEORGE FOREMAN!!!! IF MANNY REALLY REALLY STILL HAS THE DRIVE—“IF, IF,IF” they were to get together next year with a close to 38 year old Floyd—MANNY WILL KNOCK HIM OUT AND THEN HE GO ON LATE NIGHT TV AND SING “TEARS OF A CLOWN” JUST FOR JUSTIN BIEBER HEE HEE. But that is next year—for a 37 year old fighter soon enough even a half year is a whole lot of sudden mileage—ASK THE SPEED DEMON OF HIS DAY ROY JONES—That is it Mel and quit trying to get me in trouble with my Pinoy friends and my buddy Jeff Mayweather all in one sling!!!!
The author, Michael Schmidt, makes his article so mind-opening that one has a hard time cutting it short. It just makes for interesting reading. Great analysis, a different point of view, and very factual. We need more of this writer!
Agreed Johnny. Manny better have the A Plus Manny—Rios, unlike Bradley, is going to bring it. I sat ringside for his title win over Acosta—who at that time was on a streak and can really lay it down—Rios took some amazing shots and kept coming—he will not stop trying to force the issue—he is a tough SOB!!!! Bradley yapping about “laying it on Pacquiao’s ass” in a rematch is something he should have TRIED to do in the first fight—RIOS IS GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THIS A BRAWL. A great dance partner for Manny IF Manny brings it with speed, hands and feet, and killer instinct.
Although, we are always open to the idea that anything can happen inside the ring. But regardless of the all possibilities, we never seen Pacquiao being outboxed, outskilled, outscored by an opponent. If he would just give extra effort, more hunger, extra dedication for the fight. We will be witnessing an old Pacquiao come fight night.
Schmidty, another stirring write up with tons of food for thought. I too agree that this may not be the Pac Man of the Barrera/Morales/ Delahoya/Hatton fights, but I still think this version of Manny will be enough to stop Rios. I do liken that JMM KO to the Duran right hand from Hearns that almost decapitated Roberto. I think Manny has that same type of heart and it will show in this fight. Rest assured, Manny is an extremely prideful man in spite of his humbleness and public passive persona. Deep inside, Manny is a warrior and I have to agree with Pick ‘em Bear’ Frank that Pac man will out skill and out will a tough, but extremely unorthodox at times Bam Bam Rios. I think speed and movement will be the factor here. As much as I love Rios, he does not have the ‘Boxing’ skills of a JMM and unless he is able to catch Manny on the ropes and land those vicious uppercuts consistently, Rios will be outworked by ‘today’s’ version of Manny Pacquiao….Peace.