The Boxing Historian

By Ted Sares on August 13, 2013
The Boxing Historian
I consider myself more of a boxing writer than a boxing historian. (Photo by Robert Ecksel)

Bottom Line: There are boxing writers. And there are boxing historian/writers. It will be up to the latter to keep the historical flames burning…

“Nescire autem quid antequam natus sis acciderit, id est semper esse puerum. (To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.)”―Marcus Tullius Cicero

Boxing historians, by definition, are solid researchers and many—if not most—are also fine writers. It’s not axiomatic, however, that a good researcher makes a good boxing historian. Creating lists and setting forth statistics may be indicative of solid and potentially revealing research, but unless those stats can be translated into compelling narrative, they will remain sterile.

Confusion notwithstanding, the late Hank Kaplan, the late Nat Fleischer, Budd Schulberg, Herb Goldman, Tracy Callis, Harry Otty, Carlo Rotella, Adam Pollack, and Springs Toledo are historian/ writers that quickly come to mind. They, and others too numerous to list, have a certain something that sets them apart. Of course, the renegade Flash Gordon—maybe boxing’s last hippie—must be mentioned. There are a great many others that fit the bill including a large number of WBAN (Women Boxing Archive Network), BWAA, and International Boxing Research Organization (IBRO) members.

Boxing lists and stats abound (see http://www.todayinsport.com/boxing). Fine books on boxing history are also plentiful (see http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/adampollack-the-daily-iowan.htm). For whatever reason, excellent historical articles are not quite so abundant (see http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/casey/MC_index.htm). The CyberBoxingZone once featured them. Boxing.com now has a goodly number of exceptionally fine writers who turn them out regularly.

The Internet

“There’s easier access today to the global scene of boxing, through the internet, and when more information is provided to you more easily, it makes you more knowledgeable about what you’re researching.”—Ed Brophy, IBHOF

Before the internet, word-of-mouth knowledge, old and scratchy video footage, and/or vintage film, microfiche, and yellowed newspaper articles limited the amount of research available. With the advent of the internet, the ability to research has been turbo-charged. Writers can now feast upon the rich global buffet that it offers—some can even learn that the great Tony DeMarco did not lose to the late Edwin Valero. With readily available records via BoxRec, video footage via YouTube, and the ease of electronic communications to various sources such as online boxing sites and Facebook (where one can exchange with knowledgeable fans), there is a universal awareness available to all writers. Importantly, the accuracy with which the Hall of Fame ballot placing analysis is now done has thankfully been enhanced (though there are still issues). And for the truly serious, The Hank Kaplan Boxing Archives at the Brooklyn College Library can be tapped at: http://library.brooklyn.cuny.edu/pages/archives/findaid/Kaplan/HowToUseThisCollection.html.

The Historian

“There’s no doubt that becoming a historian is certainly the most time consuming thing. If done well I think one can become [one but] you must read incessantly. You have to analyze. It’s a bit of a compulsion…”—Herb Goldman

“And this issue of him (Jack Johnson) being black was not that relevant to him, but the issue of his being free was very relevant.”—James Earl Jones who played Johnson in Howard Sackler’s Pulitzer Prize-winning play The Great White Hope

“Now, the late 1960s are over, as is Ali’s era. We can look back at Johnson now and give him the examination he deserves, without someone else getting in the way.”—Gerald Early

So how does the boxing historian/writer differ from other writers? Quite simply, a boxing historian identifies the subject, researches, studies and assimilates the historical context, corroborates, uses reliable sources (the closer to firsthand the better), fills in the gaps and makes appropriate connections, and then writes—in that order. What separates the good ones, in my view, is the third step in the sequence—the one in which the writer enmeshes himself in the history of the particular era.

Writer Mike Casey recently did this with an exemplary article about Jack Dempsey titled, “The Tiger in the New York Jungle.” One could feel Mike “ride the rails” with Jack during the hard times from which the Manassa Mauler was bred. As Mike wrote, “Perhaps that certain something in Dempsey took root in earlier times. Before sampling the punches of New York, he had taken the blows meted out by his hard life in the Old West. He was brought to his knees many times, but always got up.” Mike studied the history and learned about the values that existed in those hard times—and then he wrote about the fighter. One can almost taste the dust of the prairies and feel the danger of riding the rod. Hard times breed hard men and Casey nailed that.

Mike also got it when he described, in part, Ingemar Johansson’s slaughter of Eddie Machen in 1958 as follows:

“What Johansson did to Machen stunned the boxing world. Eddie was slammed to the canvas three times…His cold destruction, brutal and unnecessarily protracted in a more lenient era, stuns the young fans of today when they stumble upon it on the Internet. Even for hardened tradespeople, watching that slaughter requires a strong stomach. Oddly enough, it shakes the viewer more than Johansson’s seven-knockdown hammering of [Floyd] Patterson.”

“…and unnecessarily protracted in a more lenient era…” That’s a gem sparkling in the sand.

“Too good for his own good” is a simple statement that could be ascribed to any number of avoided fighters, but when it is used to describe Charley Burley, a plethora of history emerges involving race relations and the Black Murderers’ Row. It helps greatly to know about the race issues that existed during the times in which Burley before diving into the boxing angles.

In describing Burley in a 2006 article, Springs Toledo nailed the historical context with just one perfectly composed sentence, “He was never the champ, but the whole city knows he should have been, would have been…had he only been given a chance.” See http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/showthread.php?9962-The-Tenth-God-of-War-Charley-Burley.

Those who write about the great boxing era of the late 1940s and the decade of the ‘50s can add richness to their work if they also learn about the post-war mores and values that existed during those times and the no-nonsense attitude of the men who came back from the War—men who were hard and determined, who became well-schooled with great trainers, and had more fights to earn a living and to stay sharp. They also had an uncommon ability to regroup from misfortune. Not necessarily better men; just different men who may have had a different standard when it came to their craft. Knowing the history of those times makes it easier to describe why fighters often engaged in 80 or more bouts.

Finally, anyone wanting to write about Jack Johnson had best study what the 1908-1915 period was like and, more to the point, what Jim Crow was all about. They might learn that that while Johnson was heavyweight champion, he was covered more in the press than all other notable black men combined. As historian Ken Burns states:  “In my other films I approached race from an aerial point of view and then went down into the specifics…But with Jack Johnson I had the opportunity to begin at the beginning and move up through the life of an extraordinary human being that reflects an entire age and American consciousness.” (“Boxing While Black: Ken Burns Chronicles Jack Johnson’s Bout with Racism” by Shelly Gabert/Documentary.org/January 2005).

“He (Jack Johnson) was scandal, he was gossip, he was a public menace for many, a public hero for some, admired and demonized, feared, misunderstood, and ridiculed. Johnson emerged as a major figure in the world of sports at the turn of the century when sports themselves, both collegiate and professional, were becoming a significant force in American cultural life and as the role of black people in sports was changing.”—Gerald Early, Merle Kling Professor of Modern Letters in the Department of English at Washington University in St. Louis. See http://www.pbs.org/unforgivableblackness/rebel/.

On a more modern note and to paraphrase one of my favorite scribes Gutter Dandy, more and more writers have come to accept—often grudgingly— the greatness of Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko. Those who view the brothers within a historical context know that the world (and not just the world of boxing) is a far larger place than the United States. For some, this has been difficult to digest. However, with or without the Klitschkos, the heavyweight division most likely will never again be ruled solely by American heavyweights. The fall of the Soviet Union has changed the equation in heavyweight boxing forever and those writers with an objective and unbiased eye to this change will arguably enrich their work accordingly.

The Present

Regrettably, as the boxing historians with firsthand experience of classic fights leave, we will lose a critical link with the past. Analyses of those fights will become more and more abstract and less human no matter how hard a young writer tries to humanize them. Whether or not one liked Bert Sugar’s writing and/or aura, he undeniably shared a burning passion for boxing that was uniquely tethered to a historical context. Bert didn’t need YouTube to discuss a particular fight. Bert’s YouTube was between his ears and switched on to a superb memory bank. For me, this was one of the most important implications of Bert’s passing.

Taking a different perspective, when my dad and I ventured to Marigold Gardens or to the Rainbow Arena in Chicago to catch a boxing card back in the day, we were greeted with odors that combined to form a marvelous alchemy. Cloying perfume clashed with the heavy scent of cheap after shave (maybe Mennen or Old Spice) which in turn blended in with the seductive odor of even cheaper cigars. Also in the mix were Vienna hot dogs (the world’s best) topped with tangy yellow mustard (no Grey Poupon here) and plenty of chopped onions. Finally, fresh roasted peanuts, buttered popcorn, steamy coffee, and slushy, foamy Meister Brau beer (a Chicago favorite though brewed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin) completed the deal. Given concessions to political correctness, this pungent alchemy no longer exists, but back then it provided an indelible memory that simply cannot be reproduced by a writer who was not yet born.

Bottom Line: There are boxing writers. And there are boxing historian/writers. It will be up to the latter to keep the historical flames burning.

Side Note: For what it’s worth, I consider myself more of a boxing writer than a boxing historian. In fact, I only track back to the late-1940s in my work. However, I do enjoy the pleasure of meeting at least once a month with a number of hardcore boxing historians including Dan Cuoco (President of IBRO) and many IBRO members. The passion in our discussions—which more often than not morph to heated debates—is palpable, not to mention the important knowledge that is passed along. We discuss everything from the enigmatic career of Lloyd Marshall to Old School vs. New School. And like boxing history, it’s a pure joy.

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  1. ray novak 07:38am, 12/11/2017

    do you have the book give to the angels about harry greb

  2. Jose Diaz 04:37pm, 09/10/2017

    Hi, I have a 1947 The Ring Boxing magazine with Joe Louis on it!  Is this a collectors magazine, or not yet!  If so how much is it work?  I’m at 787 590=1722.  Thank you!  Respectfully,
    Jose Diaz

  3. Ted 05:46am, 08/22/2013

    That’s might kind of you Dollarbond.  Mighty. And you are correct about citing sources. That’s something I did learnedin school and never forgot. Corroboration is probably the most difficult thing a researcher is faced with, but the internet is a great and fast tool.

  4. dollarbond 04:29am, 08/22/2013

    Ted, I just got around to reading this as I have been on vacation. You picked a difficult subject to write about and you handled it with aplomb.  I truly consider you one of the best researchers in boxing and everything else you write about. Whether or not that means you are an historian, I don’t know but you do your research. I also like the way you always cite sources which is a sure sign of your training in school. The Jack Johnson source was very good and I read the article from the link. He was something else. Good job all the way around on this one.

  5. Ted 07:58am, 08/21/2013

    Shout out to Tracy Callis. Many thanks for your great book. You are one sweet man!  God bless.

  6. Larry Link 07:55am, 08/21/2013

    http://www.boxingtreasures.com/american-boxing-news-by-editor-bill-miley.html

  7. bill miley 05:46am, 08/21/2013

    Dan-Thanks for mentioning my name in your letter in the boxing historian. I’m not sure that I belong there but thanks!
    The first championship fight that I ever saw, was in 1948 in Flint, Michigan, the Atwood Stadium, between Willie Pep and Jock Leslie. Won by Pep via a TKO.
    I was 14 at the time.and the group of us kids were lucky if we had a dime in our pockets, so we sat on the top of the fence to watch the fight.
    I was totally hooked on boxing from that day on.

  8. Ted 05:12pm, 08/19/2013

    Once again, I ask you to stick to the subject. I am proud of this piece and don’t want the posts ruined by an argument that does not relate to Boxing History. Use emails, please.

  9. Ted 04:25pm, 08/19/2013

    Let’s stay with the subject, please.

  10. Ted 11:29am, 08/19/2013

    Thanks Norman. You certainly are one of the many, many fine historians on Boxing.com

  11. Norm Marcus 11:26am, 08/19/2013

    Ted: This is by far one of the best soliloquies on boxing and writers that I have ever come across, very well thought out. I really enjoyed it.
    How am I supposed to top this piece?
    Marcus Cicero wrote about the death of the republic and a culture in decay. Sadly I think we writers today also are following in his foot steps. They had the Arena, we have HBO Sports and Showtime. And so it goes!
    Hail Caesar!

  12. peter 09:35am, 08/18/2013

    Thanks for the info. I met Schulberg at his “Sparring with Hemingway”  book reading in Long Island one evening. I was shocked to hear his speech impediment, which was still so pronounced at his advanced age. I recall Randy Neuman, the NJ heavyweight, being in the audience, and being graciously recognised by Schulberg.

  13. Robert Ecksel 07:30am, 08/18/2013

    At the defunct Tavern on the Green a couple of years before he passed away.

  14. peter 07:20am, 08/18/2013

    Good photo of Budd Schulberg. Where was it taken?

  15. Ted 05:14pm, 08/17/2013

    “They, and others too numerous to list, have a certain something that sets them apart.”

  16. roy handelman 02:58pm, 08/17/2013

    in this entire conversation about BOXING HISTORIANS, why don’t I see DAVID MARTINEZ in here?
    ( or maybe he is, and I have missed it, my apologies)
    Not only does David have probably the most comprehensive boxing museum in existence, he dedicates each and every day to covering his beloved sport, and all relevant events and history within it.
    Can anyone please tell me why the name David Martinez is not covered here in this article?

    Thank you

  17. Douglas Cavanaugh 08:42am, 08/16/2013

    Thank you, sir. Glad you enjoyed it! That piece did indeed take a lot of sleuthing, exhuming and spelunking to put together. But I enjoyed every moment. Glad you did, too. Just finished Al Gainer and am working on Joe Mandot at present.

    Your article was important in that it stressed so much of what I believe in regards to the historian/writers. Eyewitnesses die, memory fades and the achievements of past fighters vaporize into the background as time moves forward. It is, as you say, up to the historian/writer to keep the flame burning and make sure that these lesser-known fighters are not forgotten.

  18. Ted 06:52am, 08/16/2013

    Douglas Cavanaugh , thanks my man. I read your “DAVE HOLLY: CHALLENGER OF THE WORLD.” That was a great piece of history. And did you ever do your research!

  19. Ted 09:23am, 08/15/2013

    Actually, Lederman, Kellerman, and Atlas are very god historians. I didn’t mention them as they are not writers as much as they are announcers.

  20. Don from Prov 07:24am, 08/15/2013

    Yes, Margarito/Cotto was the first half of a dual blow to the Yank psyche that actually rendered him mute for a (very)short while.  First, he spent a lot of time and energy patiently (sarcasm intended) explaining to all of us who lacked the insight just how Cotto would dominate—I believe that in YankWorld a Cotto right hand to the body was to play a large part.

    Then he took his son to Atlantic City view the symbolic passing of the King’s Sword when Kelly Pavlik slaughtered the moldering corpse of Ber-Nard.  After that debacle, Yank didn’t so much go into hiding as become lost in the fog of depression and didn’t post for almost a week.

     

     

     

  21. Ted 06:45am, 08/15/2013

    I forgot I forgot!

  22. Don from Prov 06:33am, 08/15/2013

    Irish Frankie: Thanks for replying.  Again, I like to hear what others have to say.  I like Triple G as well and look forward to watching exactly what he will become as a fighter—and the man wants fights, so we’ll see a lot.

  23. Irish Frankie Crawford Beat Saijo aka Gimpel 06:21am, 08/15/2013

    Don from Prov-Your points are well taken and and greatly appreciated….they bring to mind the notion that talent wise Burley was the Mayweather of his time….again I’m very high on GGG and the video rankled.

  24. Ted 05:46am, 08/15/2013

    No, to OY

  25. Don from Prov 05:23am, 08/15/2013

    Not to you—

    You spend a lot of your time buying me dinners for lost bets :)

  26. Ted 05:00am, 08/15/2013

    Yes you have

  27. Don from Prov 04:46am, 08/15/2013

    Irish Frankie: I wasn’t challenging you, trying to pull you into a debate—Well, do anything really except hear what you saw in the video that made you feel as you do.  I’m just a fan too and I actually enjoy hearing what people see, or feel that they see (as we all have opinions/beliefs)—

    That’s the way one learns, no?


    Agreeing or disagreeing, we at least look from a different perspective.
    To answer your question, I’d begin by saying that I was obviously more impressed by Burley than you were.  His head movement, anticipation, ring awareness were, to me, off the charts.  So, I’d say that in Burley I saw a very well tested veteran fighter who had dealt with a plethora of styles and who could box brilliantly and punch as well.  In GGG, I see a lot of potential: a fighter with heavy hands, effective footwork and balance, can box a bit.
    At this point, my money would be on Burley—but I’ve lost money before.

  28. Irish Frankie Crawford Beat Saijo aka Gimpel 08:24pm, 08/14/2013

    Don from Prov-Hell I can’t break down anything….I’m just a fan….I guess that the video pissed me off more than anything and since I don’t believe that Burley was or GGG is a time traveler we’ll never really know…. will we? Still…how about this…let’s concede that on top of everything else Burley had a good chin, which he obviously did….and that GGG is a murderous puncher who has the ability to land his punches, which he is….what do you see in the video above that would lead you to think that GGG would not walk Burley down, cut off the ring and land the sharper, heavier blows in every exchange?

  29. Don from Prov 05:52pm, 08/14/2013

    Irish Frankie—
    What is it in the Burley film that makes you feel he would be minced by GGG?
    I’d be interested in that breakdown.  Thanks—

  30. Ted 01:30pm, 08/14/2013

    Hmmm

  31. Ted 01:17pm, 08/14/2013

    A union in boxing has as much chance of forming as a lake in the Sierra deserts. Lira tried it, Eddie Gregory tried it; and the IBT tried it. The structure of boxing makes it virtually impossible for a union to form. Never happen. Of that I am certain.

  32. Ted 01:08pm, 08/14/2013

    I think you meant to say Marvin Hagler’s people, the Petronelli brothers were NOT like that

  33. Djata Bumpus 12:53pm, 08/14/2013

    Come on, man…the boxing game has not changed one iota…fighters have been making $100 per round for the past 60-plus years…moreover, while one has to be an athlete to do it, it’s not a sport in the traditional sense…so there is no regular season for it…hence, promoters…so one night he’ll have Mick Jagger, then the next night Mike Tyson…but it gets worse than that, because guys (especially) who become involved in professional boxing are normally not very well educated…the promoters love that!...But even worse than that, the trainers themselves rarely care about anything more than making some money off of the fighter…Marvin Hagler’s people, the Petronelli brothers were like that, but most have been…additionally, too many trainers treat their fighters in a way that makes the latter obsequious to them…so by the time the fighter even turns pro s/he doesn’t dare question what is happening in regards to the size of his or her purse…I remember back in the late 70s, at Joe Frazier’s gym, signing a petition, along with guys like Jimmy Young and Bennie Briscoe, that was being circulated by Jerome Artis, about forming a boxing Union…I never heard anything else about it after…of course, and unfortunately, all three are dead now that; I assume that promoters or someone paid Rony (Jerome) off…But I went to a number of changes after my boxing career with Lou Dover, while serving as Mildred Taylor’s financial advisor…I know this game a lot more deeply than the people were commenting in this room.

  34. Ted 12:39pm, 08/14/2013

    Dan, those are all bingos. Most of the IBRO bunch of which you are the PRESIDENT could qualify/ What’s important is that their work is passed on to the younger writers. That said, it’s also important that the work of today’s pure boxing writer like Kevin Iole be passed on to future generations. Of course, historians will have a much easier job in the future because they will have at their disposal an incredible amount of data that most likely can be uploaded from a wrist watch of car mirror by voice recognition. It staggers the imagination when you think about it.

  35. Dan Cuoco 12:22pm, 08/14/2013

    Ted,
    You are being modest about your accomplishments as a boxing historian. Other accomplished boxing historians and/or historian writers include among others: Colleen Aycock, Jim Brown, Douglas Cavanaugh, Monte Cox, Chris Cozzone, Pete Ehrmann, Enrique Encinosa, Barry Hugman, Michael Hunnicutt, Charles E. Johnston,  Ric Kilmer, Gordon Marino, Bill Miley, Clay Moyle, Patrick Myler, John Ochs, Ramiro Ortiz, Ron Ross, Rob Snell, Matt Tegen, Tony Triem, and Robert Yalen.

  36. Ted 12:09pm, 08/14/2013

    Thanks, djata. What you say makes sense. That’s why I say a writer must go beyond his or her focal point to really get a grasp on the history. The socio economic times of the 30’s were far different from those of the 50’s and so forth. Each era brought different variables with it and those variables had an impact on history and the boxing that was being done at the time. The boxing business model, for example, has changed from Old School “earn your way” by fighting a ton of fights on the circuit—to make it the fastest way possible within the Bob Arum glitz parade ala Macau.

    But the historical question really is : why was there no glitz back in the day?
    Get this and the rest comes easy.

  37. djata 12:00pm, 08/14/2013

    Hi Ted…the way that you define history is certainly familiar to most people…however, as a longtime historian, I generally dismiss what passes itself off as history, because it is actually a chronological recording of events…therefore, it tells the reader or listener nothing about which, in this circumstance, the boxers had to contend with leading up to any specific point in their careers, much less the options that were available to them, since that would determine the choices that they make…boxing is a beautiful art…however, as a sport it is despicably dirty and mucky…worse yet, there was so much hiding from the fighter, regarding everything from his or her actual training, that is, what the trainer knows about the techniques needed to win a fight, much less what resources are available to the fighter, before any match…none of that just mentioned even touches the various familual, social, political, or financial obstacles that may be facing the individual fighter at the time…all of this will have a great effect on the fighter’s performance, because it is not a team sport where s/he can easily be replaced…Cheers!

  38. Ted 11:56am, 08/14/2013

    The Fight Film Collector, you should have excused yourself and said you would get back to him. Then have one of your chums find out who the guys favorite was. Then deliver accordingly. Sure A!!! Works every time.

  39. Ted 11:53am, 08/14/2013

    Gutter Dandy also writes as Johnny Walker


    http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/andre-wards-star-continues-to-fall/

  40. The Fight Film Collector 11:53am, 08/14/2013

    What a great piece, Ted.  Thank you.  Your article and reader’s comments remind me of a conversation I had with a professor when I was in film school.  He was an academic who taught film history from a political perspective.  He was worshiped by the geeks in the department, but I found his endless ranting lectures to be mental masturbation.  I did not do well in his class.  At any rate, he fancied himself a fight fan, and several times after living through his mind numbing lectures, he would catch me after class to talk boxing.  At one point he asked me, “So who do you think is the best pound for pound in the world right now?”  This was 1977.  An entire group of 70s greats were either retiring or in decline including Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Quarry, Monzon, Foster, Olivarez, Napoles, just to name a very few.  So I said, “That’s easy, Roberto Duran.  He’s amazing.  He’s ruled the lightweights for almost six years and still going strong.”  My genius professor scoffed and said, “Duran?  I don’t think so.  I think he’s a punk who’s been fed a bunch of chumps!”  He gave me a D for the class.  History gives him an F for his analysis.

  41. Ted 11:24am, 08/14/2013

    Dan, thanks for making those references. All great historians.

  42. Dan Cuoco 10:45am, 08/14/2013

    Ted,
    A terrific homage to the boxing historians in general, in particular the late Hank Kaplan, the late Nat Fleischer, the late Budd Schulberg, Herb Goldman, Tracy Callis, Harry Otty, Mike Casey, Mike Siver, Carlo Rotella, Adam Pollack, and Springs Toledo. Others of note, although they are not writers, but have spent years of meticulously going through microfilm such as Luckett Davis, J. J. Johnston, Don Cogswell, Henry Hascup, Chuck Hasson, Bill Schutte, the late Laurence Fielding,  the late Paul Zabala and countless others. Thank you for giving them the recognition they so richly deserve.

  43. Douglas Cavanaugh 10:20am, 08/14/2013

    An excellent article. Striving to be the best historian/writer I can be every day. The gents you mentioned have set the bar high!

  44. Tex Hassler 07:08am, 08/14/2013

    Boxing history can be found by anyone looking for it on the internet. I am mostly interested in boxing from 1970 back to 1900.  I read all Mike Casey’s articles I can find and they are all excellent. This is not to say others are not great also. Thanks Mr. Sares for taking us back into the past.

  45. Ted 05:21am, 08/14/2013

    Ted Spoon, I always had this thing about writing what I actually remembered or smelled or tasted. So I just go back to the late 40’s and capitalize on my age and memory.  But that’s just a personal whim. I don’t expect fine historians like yourself to do that. I could be termed a quasi-historian maybe—whatever that might be. lol

  46. Ted 05:04am, 08/14/2013

    Kid, I would see Ron Borges as an example of a pure boxing writer. Hauser as well.

  47. peter 04:17am, 08/14/2013

    Wonderful article featuring memorable personalities and talents—Burley, Schulberg, Marshell, Kaplan, Flash Gordon. Thank you!

  48. Don from Prov 03:29am, 08/14/2013

    This is a GREAT article—

    Can you send me a link to the Burley film as I am too dumb to just upload
    Best boxing.com article in a long while, IMO

  49. Ted Spoon 01:30am, 08/14/2013

    As a young gun myself Ted, you all too clearly highlight the fact I’m never going to be able to marry recollection with those nostalgic aromas. Even as something as obscure as a smell helps set the scene…it’s amusing that, in proclaiming yourself not a historian, you go onto tick most of your own criteria. Absorbing stuff.

  50. kid vegas 09:18pm, 08/13/2013

    Who would be a good pure boxing writer in you opinion, Bull. And on the subject, I view you as an historian even if you don’t see yourself as one. You know your shit when it comes to boxing history.

  51. The Krusher 09:11pm, 08/13/2013

    Nice effort. Bet it was hard to put together. What kind of name is Springs Toledo?

  52. FightClubWriter 08:41pm, 08/13/2013

    Another great article that young aspiring writers should use as reference. I can’t stand some “historians” that act like they were ringside when Babe Ruth fought King Tut in ‘29, when their mother wasn’t a gleam in grand pappy’s eye.

  53. George Thomas Clark 08:16pm, 08/13/2013

    Historically, about a third of fights that were stopped were stopped too late, and that was because of incompetent referees.  The moron who let Eddie Machen continue after the second knockdown by Johanssen should have taken the final punishing blows, not Machen.

  54. Ted 05:25pm, 08/13/2013

    You may have the beat, Irish

  55. Irish Frankie Crawford Beat Saijo aka Gimpel 05:23pm, 08/13/2013

    Ted Sares-Historians can get it wrong too….thank goodness for the films that allow regular fans in a sense to “see for themselves”. In the two films above featuring Marshall windmilling around the ring as well as the love letter to Burley I see two fighters that GGG could literally lay out to dry.

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